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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:18 pm    Post subject: One Player Game: Walking in the Dark Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It's a nice tune in progress. Let me know if it sounds good on your speakers.

www.oneplayergame.com/walkinginthedark.mp3
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Sounds very good on my speakers. Really nice sounds. There could be more bass though, IMHO.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yeah...I only used some analog toms in there. Do you mean it may sound better with a deep kick drum or an actual bassline? I've never been too good with basslines; they usually screw up the rhythm and make the song sound slower. And just putting in short notes underneath the blips is almost useless as I could just throw a sine tracker plug-in on the intsrument(s).
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Good point, the bass is by definition slow. Low frequencies take a long time to speak. Maybe a low tom or bass drum type of sound, or even some sort of sound effect once in a while. Just a suggestion. You are much more of a judge on this than I. It's just that you said something like "how does it sound on your speakers." I have 12" woofers and they hardly moved. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

That's okay. I try to design my songs for small speakers. I checked it out in the car, on a portable stereo, and in headphones (sorry, not in a box with a fox). They all sound great. I always get confused about mastering at this point. I always assumed I would pay a pro (new ears) to master it. I just never know if what I give the mastering technician is good enough to work with (or what I should/shouldn't do to the tracks before I give it to them- i.e. mastering, rolloff bass at 20Hz, etc.). Any insight?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I like the pads. It sounds good on my small speakers.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks


Hmm....I just uploaded the full song this evening. Did you get to listen to that?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

opg wrote:
I always assumed I would pay a pro (new ears) to master it. I just never know if what I give the mastering technician is good enough to work with (or what I should/shouldn't do to the tracks before I give it to them- i.e. mastering, rolloff bass at 20Hz, etc.). Any insight?


My take on it is that you should forget mastering technicians. Learn this craft yourself. It's really part of the electronic music composition process, or at least the production process.

I know one person who has a CD for sale at electro-music.com; I won't mention their name. Their record label wanted them to get a professional mastering done. Unfortunately, I thing the one weak point of the CD is the mastering. I spoke to an executive at the label about it. He said they want professional mastering because they want the levels to be consistent across the CD and they want the numbering of the tracks and the between the tracks to be correct. Their mastering tech, a contractor, uses his own judgement about the eq, and other processing.

I explained that most electronic musicians can do those things on their own PC. He said he didn't know that, and he said that if they could, he would not require it be sent out.

This brings to mind the story of Billy Joel's first CD. It was "mastered" and millions shipped out before Billy listened to it. He thought mastering was just a technical process and it wouldn't change the sound of the music. When he head the CD, he was very disappointed and forced the company to recall every one. When I heard this, I went right down to the local record store to get on thinking it would be a collectors item, but the store refused to sell me one. The point being, if you use a mastering tech, be sure you are in the link.

All this is just my opinion.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I just listened again to your track again. It sounds very good.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:


My take on it is that you should forget mastering technicians. Learn this craft yourself. It's really part of the electronic music composition process, or at least the production process.



i fully agree with that...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Don't labels normally pay for the mastering if they think it's needed?

Anyway, I was more concerned with getting a pro to listen to the songs mainly as another set of ears. Of course, I wouldn't pay $500 for another set of ears (unless I lost my own in a tragic incident at an ACDC concert.....)

At this point I am constantly trying out my songs on lots of different speakers and trying to get others to listen to them.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

opg wrote:

At this point I am constantly trying out my songs on lots of different speakers and trying to get others to listen to them.


i would say that is a good strategy... i

but, f you are looking to add 'fairy dust' or some sheen to your tracks, then that is a whole other kettle of fish regarding mastering..and for that, you need great great gear and a pro with super good ears...and is very expensive usually

but for the utility mastering like 'portability among speakers' and other real-world tests, i think you have the right idea..listen in lots of environments and ask other's to comment...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

When it comes to music like this, mastering in the sense of "getting that contemporary radio singel sound" is not valid at all. You can probably manage all this yourself.. but you are left with the main problem.. which is adjusting individual track levels so the tracks match each other. This is in fact pretty hard to do well, but you can probably manage this too.

When it comes to bass, the most common problem is having way too much bass.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'll usually roll-off the bass below 20 or 30 Hz. I'll watch the 85, 65, and 150 to see if I'll need to do any compressing. I try not to compress anything. I have T-Racks, which I occasionally tinker with. Question: Should I ONLY wait to roll-off the bottom until I import the file in T-Racks, or can I do it in Fruity Loops (and again in T-Racks, just to be safe)?

I've found that the "TV Broadcast" preset works well in T-Racks, after some tweaking. I takes care of the bass, but I have to watch the highs.
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