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lamefrillery
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:38 pm Post subject:
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Is this possible?
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject:
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yup, CC70 does the trick. _________________ Jan
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lamefrillery
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:18 pm Post subject:
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I'm afraid I still don't understand how to set this up.
Since I'm going to be using a MIDI signal coming from a drum trigger, I have a note receiver set up for the note that the trigger is generating. After that, my assumption was to set up a control send module with the control set to 70 and the value set to whichever variation I wanted to jump to. Is that right? |
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject:
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Seems correct to me. Keep in mind though that the 8 variations are evenly spread over the the 128 possible MIDI data values for CC messages. This means that variation one is selected with values 0 .. 15, variation 2 with values 16 .. 31 etc. _________________ Jan
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lamefrillery
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject:
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Is the output of the control send module automatically routed so that if I'm producing control 70 with a value of say, 16, every time that C5 is hit I don't need to draw any cables coming out of the control send module? I don't see where I should be routing them to. |
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject:
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The CC70 control send has to be set to the slot the patch for which the variation has to be changed is in (in the midi channel selector) and then it will send when either the data value changes or when the the trigger input goes from low to high and that will make the variation change. This can be a bit confusing when the sending and receiving patch are the same, i.e. when the patch changes it's own variation, maybe first try to do it using two slots.
I'm not exactly sure from what you tell what sort of answer you'd need ... _________________ Jan
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject:
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Ok, I see, the patch must change it's own variation.
The gate from the C5 detector should go to the send input of the CtrlSend, that one will then send out a CC message when C5 is hit.
Then the channel for the CtrlSend must be set OK, assuming the patch is in slot A select "Slot A" under "chan".
Then you should copy the relevant settings from variation one to variation two, to make the 2nd variation have proper settings as well. You can right click on the variation 1 button to do that. Another way is to select all the modules that you want the copy the settings for. Then hit CTRL+C then go to variation 2 and hit CTRL+E (for windows that is, otherwise see manual please).
You can actually make a sequence this way to go to the next variation each time you hit C5. Just repeat the copying process sketched above for each variation that has to be in the sequence. Then in the first variation set the value of the CtrlSend module to 16, in the 2nd variation to 32 etc. and for the last variation (maybe variation 8) set it to 0 to "close the loop". _________________ Jan
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:24 am Post subject:
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I seem to be experiencing a bit of a problem now. I did what you described and was able to get it to switch to variation 2 under Slot A. However, when I hit C5 and it switches over it will not let me go back to variation 1 even by clicking the bar on the top. It seems that there is a recurring command to switch from variation 1 to variation 2.
Any idea what that might be about? |
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:56 am Post subject:
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For experimentation it can be useful to temporarily disconnect the CC send input(s), so it won't go around like crazy. _________________ Jan
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:09 am Post subject:
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Haha, this operates much more smoothly than what I was trying to do! Thanks.
So, what I'm seeing here is that pressing C5 in any variation except variation 2 will make it jump to variation 2, right? Is it possible to set it up so that pressing C5 within each variation will make it jump to a different one?
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Pressing C5 in var1 makes you jump to var2. Pressing C5 in var2 makes you jump to var3. Just for kicks, pressing C5 in var3 makes you jump to var8...etc. Is that possible, too, or would you need to assign a different note for each variation?
Thanks for all of your help so far! I really appreciate it. |
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:18 am Post subject:
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lamefrillery wrote: | Is it possible to set it up so that pressing C5 within each variation will make it jump to a different one? |
Erm .. that's what it's supposed to be doing
And it does so here with the button setup I made, not with the note detector? _________________ Jan
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:22 am Post subject:
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The button works just fine. Hit the button in var1, goes to var2. Hit it in var2 it goes to var3...etc. When I have it respond to C5 it only jumps to var2 (from any var) and does nothing when in var2. |
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:39 am Post subject:
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Strange, I just hooked up an external keyboard for the MIDI and it works as it should here ... _________________ Jan
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:46 am Post subject:
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Did you make any changes from the patch that you sent me using the on/off switch? I'm a bonafide newbie and even something slight is more than likely going to go right over my head |
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:49 am Post subject:
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I downloaded the patch from the forum to be sure and then disconnected the button and connected the s&h to the yellow output of the note detector instead - no changes other than that. _________________ Jan
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:13 am Post subject:
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Alright, so the pulse module didn't work either. However! I switched it from C5 to B4 and now everything works perfectly. Haha
I think I'm starting to get this! C5 is cursed.
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:16 am Post subject:
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The other one works fine, as well, once I changed C5 to B4. I think that key might be broken on my Oxy8. |
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:23 am Post subject:
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One more quick question while I'm at it. If I only want to alternate between var1 and var2, rather than cycling through all 8, how would I accomplish it? Like, B4 in var1 takes you to var2... B4 in var2 takes you to var1.
Edit: Actually, I set the constant value to 0 in var2 and it takes me back to var1. I think I'm beginning to understand! |
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:03 am Post subject:
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lamefrillery wrote: | I think I'm beginning to understand! |
Indeed _________________ Jan
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:06 am Post subject:
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lamefrillery wrote: | I have absolutely NO IDEA where it's coming from. |
From another slot maybe? _________________ Jan
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