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UNISON SYNTH
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:20 am    Post subject:  UNISON SYNTH Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Finally i found out how to use the voices in unison mode.
Raise voices for more unison power!

this patch is set up with 8 variations for 10 voices.

i've updated this attachment

Unison Synth V2 is a couple posts below (32 voices with expanded g2)


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Unison Synth with pan spread

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nice patch but it didn't work properly when you hold one key and then play another and then release that second key.. the pitch should slide back down/up to the first note.. instead yr patch was holding that second note.

By moving the mono note module to the fx area and routing the control signal to the VA it works as it should. I also tweaked a couple of routings.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Nice patch

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but it didn't work properly when you hold one key and then play another and then release that second key.. the pitch should slide back down/up to the first note.. instead yr patch was holding that second note.


You can set the mono module to "Last" i think thats what your aiming for. i used it on "Hi" for special trigerring with the Lopass filter Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Does anyone know how to make a polyfonic Unison patch with the "Poly Keyboard and Voice no." output?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

There are some patches I think ... right ...

http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?highlight=polyphonic+unison&t=15359

and

http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?highlight=polyphonic+unison&t=6389

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i've listened to both, and these both are not real unison like a access virus, nord, ms20, microkorg etc handles unison. I really believe my patch does handles unison as it should. So the more voices you set in a particular slot on your nord the more (in this case)saw's your slot sends through the VA section. the OSC KBD tracking is off and the pitch is controlled with the mono keyboard note module. The detune is the voice no out to the osc pitch input.

But then i once read somewhere that it theoreticly wasnt possible to do polyfonic unison on old analog hardware. So in this case becouse the g2 represents a modular system to make analog emu's that this might also be the case with the g2?

i love the g2ian's patch though but isnt that more like "Chrous" "Ensemble" ?

i think unison should use a lot of voices. thats where it's for and especially for my hardcore leads its a must. the 22 voice unison sawlead(Screach) sounds are great with my unison synth patch and are better than my Access Virus A wich only has 12 max voices. The only thing is that my virus A allows me to play 2 polyfonic notes with 6 unison voices.

I hope we can figure that out on the g2.

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when you hold one key and then play another and then release that second key.. the pitch should slide back down/up to the first note.. instead yr patch was holding that second note.


i did some more testing and you are right i diddnt notice that yesterday! thanks for the fix Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

no worries.

I think you could achieve yr 2 note poly unison, if you used one slot to accept midi information (say slot A), set to two note poly and use the voice number to split the send of the control data between two internal busses, one to a slot (say B) for the first voice and one to a slot (say C) for the second. Then these slots (B + C) could be monophonic unison as in the original patch (e.g. set to say 6 note poly) but as you would have two independant versions they would give u 2 note poly.. Problem would be controlling both units in terms of the patch settings etc... as everything would need duplicating. + you would pretty much need to make this a performance rather than a series of patches.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Actually you can probably do it with two Slots.

If you send the voice 1/2 information from Slot A through the busses too it may well be possible to keep the unison synth (say in Slot B) in one slot but still have two voice poly. Though i am just thinking this out at work so no real idea if i am right here.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Sounds interessesting, i'm not really sure how you would patch that but that might seem like a usefull idea!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here is a fixed version for the Unison Synth

fixed:
volume settings
removed pre envelope
applied i passengers method
removed pan spread

About the pan spread, does anyone have an idea to get a good working nice Unison Pan Spread with this patch?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

With some great help from iPassenger i fixed a good working pan spread.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Sounds pretty good, glad i could help.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Great sounding patch.

If you patch in a noteQuantizer as shown, you can knock the VA DSP% back to 22.5% which means you get more voices in the stack (29 on expanded G2).
It works by 'downsampling' the output of the 2 in module to control rate signal, letting the modules connected after optimise themselves.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Brilliant! Smile I never knew that.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Great sounding patch.


Thanks!

about the quanitzer indeed very nice to know!!! Very Happy

here you go 32 voices! with Expanded G2
Unison Synth V2!

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PAGE A1 OSCILATORS
OSC A> Wave | Semi | Fine | Shape | On / Off | Volume | (Main Pitch) Semi | Fine

PAGE A2
OSC B> Wave | Semi | Fine | On/ Off | Volume

PAGE A3
OSC C> Semi | Fine | On / Off | Volume

PAGE B1 LOW FREQUENCY OSCILATORS
LFO A> Wave | Rate | Shape | Phase | KBT | Range | OutType | Mode

PAGE B2
LFO B> Wave | Rate | KBT | Range | Mode | OutType

PAGE B3 (SEND TO)
PITCH> LFO A | LFO B | Filter1> LFO A | LFO B | Filter2> LFO A | LFO B | Stereo L | Stereo R

PAGE C1 VOLUME ENVELOPE
Volume> Attack | Decay | Sustain | Release | Shape | OutType | Reset | Synth Volume

PAGE C2 PITCH ENVELOPE
PITCH ENV> Attack | Decay | Type | Shape | OutType | Reset | Trigged | Pitch Amt

PAGE C3 FILTER ENVELOPE
FILTER ENVELOPE1> Attack | Decay | Sustain | Release | Shape | OutType | Reset | Filter Amt

PAGE D1 FILTER
Flt1L> Type | Flt1R Type | Flt1L> Db/Oct | Flt1R> Db/Oct | Flt1L> KBD | Flt1R> KBD | Flt2L> Type | Flt2R> Type

PAGE D2
Flt1L> GComp | Flt1R> GComp | Filter1> Vel Gain | Flt1L> Cutoff | Filt1R> Cutoff | Flt1L> Reso | Flt1R> Reso

PAGE D3 MAIN FILTER CONTROL & FILTER ENVELOPE 2
Cutoff | Reso | Cutoff 2 | Reso 2 | PAR / SER | Filter Envelope 2> Env Amt | Attack | Decay

PAGE E1 FX & UNISON CONTROL
Pitch> Noise | Glide | FX> Dist Dry/Wet | Type L | Type R | Unison> Detune | Pan Spread

PAGE E2
Delay> Time L | Time R | Time MD L | Time MD R | Filter L | Filter R | Dry/Wet L | Dry/Wet R

PAGE E3
EQ L Low | EQ L High | EQ R Low | EQ R High | Filter1L On/Off | Filter1R On/Off | Filter 2L On/Off | Filter 2R On/Off

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routing scheme
3 OSC > 2 LFO > 3 Envelopes > 2x Stereo FILTER > Distortion > EQ > Delay > Compressor

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1 Audio Demo for the demo users and curious ones about my awefull playing skills Twisted Evil

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v2 synth finished after a long day work!

comments are really appreciated!!


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Unison Synth V2! [32 Voices with Expanded G2]

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Nord Modular G2 Unison Synth V2.mp3
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29 voice version audio demo!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Sneiterheadz wrote:
somehow the attachment did not upload...


You ran out of disc quota, please try again, I gave you some headroom.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks!! still beeing up so late? Laughing

well in the meanwhile i've edited my last post 10 times :p the 32 voice version is up and running! enjoy...

(now the virus owners can be a little jalous) Cool Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Great patch! Smile thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for sharing your great patch! Successfully programing 32 voices into a fine sounding patch is a substantial accomplishment. Variation 2 is one if the most exciting in-your-face lead patches I have heard in a while, especially if you play it with keyboard hold activated to drive the bass past. You stick that variation in the bridge of a song and folks are going to quickly realize you ain't playing no electric piano.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:02 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks guys,

glad you like it happy smoker
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