The US Spends more money on Mexican sewage problems than...

destroyifyer · Last edited by destroyifyer on Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:56 am; edited 1 time in total

http://innocentjustice.org/2009/is-mexican-poop-more-important-to-you-than-american-kids/

I was always very patriotic... I still am, I still love this land America, but however I now am unable to defend her from the nickname "The Great Satan".

shanemorris · Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:10 am Post subject:

Oh..... I just thought that was the new thing... spend all of your money in other countries and forget about the citizens that compose your own society. Rolling Eyes

Blue Hell · Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:21 am Post subject:

I could think up a couple of good reasons for the US to spend money on sewage treatment in an arid area just over the border. Even newspapers in the Netherlands have articles about water shortage in that region of the world.

This advertisement connects up two things that have nothing to do with each other just for the sake of driving your emotions toward funding the foundation.

Politics by emotions, just what the world needs Shocked

Anyway, such were my thoughts.

gsanchez · Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:16 am Post subject:

Well I'm sure everyone agrees that child molestation is a horrible thing and governments should try harder to extinguish it. This is also a big problem here in Mexico, it-s really depressing to see that these kind of things happen all around the world.

On the other hand I (in my own personal and subjective opinion) perceived the blog post as manipulative (using hatred to get to an objective using Goebbelian propaganda techniques), fallacious (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy), and xenophobic (Mexican poop vs. American kids wtf?)

But I do agree with the part of post that mentions to send an email to the government representatives to do something to stop the pedophiles. I hate politics and I'm definitely not a patriot but I myself have sent emails to the governors of this country on certain issues and to my surprise some of them actually listen to what you have to say.

destroyifyer · Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:38 am Post subject:

Oh... what I'm trying to say here is that, um... the U.S. spent more money on... shouldn't more money go to save children from getting raped than sewage problems or am I just some big asshole for thinking that? I think if either of you read the article I posted without taking it personally, maybe followed the links to learn the full scope of this problem here in America, I'm sure that this would have developed into some kind of conversation instead of this being called an advertizement, and propaganda. Every time I say what's on my mind on this website, in the least bit, everyone gangs up on me with their politically correct neutrality... disgusting. I speak out against a lack of funds to combat child molestation, and all of a sudden I'm some kind of advertising nazi. As a matter of fact, I'm completely uncomfortable talking about anything on this site, having to trim everything off at the edges. I can't censor myself any longer... it's not healthy for me. This is what's on my mind. This is what I'm postin' in the shmooze forum... equipment, laser beams and youtube videos just aren't on my mind right now... I won't cry if you hate me for it.

Blue Hell · Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:09 am Post subject:

gsanchez · Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:10 am Post subject:

I'm sorry if my point of view offended you, it was not my intention in doing so, I was just explaining how I perceived the post (a subjective opinion). I will say no more on the subject because I feel it's pointless in doing so and it's time for me to sing! Very Happy

DrJustice · Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:21 am Post subject:

Destroyifier, you posted a political emotionally charged blog-post in schmooze to start conversation, and now you're complaining because two posters made some comments about that article. Nothing in their comments points to them taking it personally (as you explicitly claim) and nobody was attacking you (as you implicitly claim). You then proceed to attack not only those commenter's, but everyone here, making a lot of assumptions and seemingly taking it personally.

Could it be that in terms of your own political position, you are the one being politically correct? I mean, how can it not be politically correct to want to help suffering children? And it's surely politically correct for a patriot to not want to support the aliens (Mexicans in this case) when there are domestic problems to handle.

There are a lot of things that are in need of more funding. There is also a lot of spending abroad that could be stopped to make that possible. Or maybe not - rather than helping out the Mexicans with a water/sewage problem, perhaps that money could go towards funding a minor war or a fringe prison somewhere outside the US - depending on your political position, of course. I mean, wars and stuff are very patriotic, and even politically correct in some circles, aren't they? But is that more or less patriotic than wanting to remedy any given domestic problem? It's a tough call.

I hope this was politically incorrect enough relative to some political positions out there Wink

BTW, it goes without saying that nobody here is in favour of child abuse. Oh no... now I'm being politically correct according to most positions - how disgusting!

Hey, we've got some kind of conversation going Very Happy

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gsanchez · Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:20 pm Post subject:

bachus · Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 2:59 pm Post subject:

nobody · Joined: Mar 09, 2008 Posts: 1689 Location: Not here

Sanchez: I'm not sure I'm reading the photo right, as it's a little small. Can you fill me in?

Bachus: Ah, come on, dude. Everyone's got a thing or two they're hyper-sensitive about. I'm sure destroyifier's calmed a bit by now. We all go off now and then - stars know I do!

destroyifyer · Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject:

Blue Hell, you didn't hurt my feelings. I highly ironically tend to freak out about people speaking their mind in response to speaking my mind.

I see where you are all coming from here. I made the conscious choice to freak out about your honest responses. This is what I get for posting someone else's article and view instead of my own rendition. To correct myself, appropriately I should have said something about how we should be spending more money on this problem... not let's spend less on the other problem. I see how it comes across as "we shouldn't be spending money on these damn foreigners"... the sewage problems in Mexico are terrible and should be solved at once... and not just in Tijuana where the problem affects Imperial Beach, CA. Bachus, I myself was just telling someone the other day on how in an argument you have to meet people halfway with your ideas instead of "trampling" their views immediately without compromise... it's never good to be hypocritical. I can see now why our arguments about war have never gotten anywhere.

It would have been much better to point out the 1 billion allotted to hire new police forces this year in America (warning: link is highly disturbing), the millions spent on water parks and other nonsense economic stimuli. Certainly none of this is more important than the above mentioned subject.

My main point of all of this is that any civilization where things like this are allowed to happen, through ignorance or otherwise, is not civilized. Law and order are in vain if the worst crimes aren't stopped.

sizone · Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject:

Blue Hell · Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:22 pm Post subject:

Blue Hell · Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:24 pm Post subject:

bachus · Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:51 pm Post subject:

destroyifyer · Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:21 am Post subject:

Bachus wrote:

gsanchez · Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:45 am Post subject:

bachus · Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:15 am Post subject:

destroyifyer · Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:50 pm Post subject:

I still feel very intellectually bullied. The US doesn't spend enough to catch child pornographers. Innocentjustice.org raises money to get police departments the machines they need to process data to procecute them. I feel as if anything I say would be met with hostility by you, so when I get out of Harvard maybe we'll be able to have a debate about formal posting on a music forum, and you can run circles around me with your amazing vocabulary.

pyrosonic · Joined: Jul 12, 2008 Posts: 285 Location: Kent,Oh. USA

You're not wrong to want to see more money spent on anti molestation efforts,by any means.

Comparing it to sewage treatment in Mexico was probably a tad ill-advised.

Lack of sanitation will bring down Mexico's Government a lot faster than the drug cartels imho.And that would be a very unwelcome development for the US Govt.(Just sayin',call me mister practical)

While I can understand the "keep our money at home" viewpoint,the bottom line is it's prudent to work to avoid total chaos at your neighbors house.Foreign aid helps keep larger problems contained.(at least sometimes Crying or Very sad

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bachus · Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:20 am Post subject:

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