electro-music.com   Dedicated to experimental electro-acoustic
and electronic music
 
    Front Page  |  Articles  |  Radio
 |  Media  |  Forum  |  Wiki  |  Links  |  Store
Forum with support of Syndicator RSS
 FAQFAQ   CalendarCalendar   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   LinksLinks
 RegisterRegister   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in  Chat RoomChat Room 
Live streaming at radio.electro-music.com

  host / artist show at your time
  EdisonRex Edison's Electronic Review
  Twyndyllyngs Special Monday edition of Chez Mosc
Please visit the chat
 Forum index » Artists » Shane Morris
Bowing Gongs with Contact Mics
Post new topic   Reply to topic Moderators: shanemorris
Page 1 of 2 [34 Posts]
View unread posts
View new posts in the last week
Mark the topic unread :: View previous topic :: View next topic
Goto page: 1, 2 Next
Author Message
shanemorris
Stream Operator


Joined: Sep 07, 2008
Posts: 1933
Location: dreamtime
Audio files: 83

PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 6:05 pm    Post subject: Bowing Gongs with Contact Mics Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I thought I would share a little of the sounds and sights of my latest experiments with bowing.

I built a couple contact mics lately (my first DIY project too) and they work quite well with bowing cymbals and gongs.

Here is some pics and recording of a 22" Wind Gong bowed with a contact mic and processed with reverb and delay. Very Happy


P1010160.JPG
 Description:
Gong and mic
 Filesize:  640.63 KB
 Viewed:  190 Time(s)
This image has been reduced to fit the page. Click on it to enlarge.

P1010160.JPG



P1010156.JPG
 Description:
My first DIY project ... Contact Mic on 1/4" cable
 Filesize:  662.53 KB
 Viewed:  183 Time(s)
This image has been reduced to fit the page. Click on it to enlarge.

P1010156.JPG



BowedGong.mp3
 Description:

Download
 Filename:  BowedGong.mp3
 Filesize:  7.33 MB
 Downloaded:  513 Time(s)


_________________
ElectroCasa
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Inventor
Stream Operator


Joined: Oct 13, 2007
Posts: 5978
Location: San Antonio, Tx, USA
Audio files: 258

PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Shane, what a perfect beginner's project for you! It's simple, it's experimental, and it works with all your percussion stuff. I didn't even know you could bow a gong, I thought they were mainly for bashing. So you'll pick up some basic solder skills and have fun playing with the contact mics - what next?

Les

_________________
"Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
jfox
Radio operator


Joined: Mar 06, 2010
Posts: 208
Location: GMT
Audio files: 26

PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Cool stuff Shane.. cool stuff.. Cool


there is loads of string instruments you can build and use with your Pizzo & Bow Very Happy



john
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
shanemorris
Stream Operator


Joined: Sep 07, 2008
Posts: 1933
Location: dreamtime
Audio files: 83

PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Inventor wrote:
what next?

Les


Thanks guys! Les... good question. Not sure ... I should probably practice soldering more.

_________________
ElectroCasa
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Inventor
Stream Operator


Joined: Oct 13, 2007
Posts: 5978
Location: San Antonio, Tx, USA
Audio files: 258

PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

to practice soldering, you might want to try your hand at wire art. Just get some wire and strip it and bend/solder some creation. Costs essentially nothing and is good practice...

Les

_________________
"Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
D.Miñoza
Stream Operator


Joined: Jun 15, 2009
Posts: 376
Location: CowTown, USA
Audio files: 31

PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

rich harmonic overtones..

bliss!

_________________
*****************
soundcloud
relaxedmachinery
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
shanemorris
Stream Operator


Joined: Sep 07, 2008
Posts: 1933
Location: dreamtime
Audio files: 83

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

D.Miñoza wrote:
rich harmonic overtones..

bliss!


Thanks Dan

Les: not a bad idea.. I may try that. Although... Im afraid I need to buy another soldering iron. I bought one that runs on batteries... and its chewing through 'em quick.

_________________
ElectroCasa
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Blue Hell
Site Admin


Joined: Apr 03, 2004
Posts: 20536
Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
Audio files: 147
G2 patch files: 318

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Great sounds Shane!

I would have expected the red and black mic wire exchanged ... but as you don't seem to have a hum problem prolly it's ok the way it is.

And maybe invest in some shrink wrap tubing, its more robust than tape.

_________________
Jan
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
D.Miñoza
Stream Operator


Joined: Jun 15, 2009
Posts: 376
Location: CowTown, USA
Audio files: 31

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I love bowls, bells and gongs, etc. LOVE Tibetan bowls..
Wondering how are you're "attacking" the gong?
Are you bowing the edge?

Your microphone project takes me back to Rebecca Mercuri's seminar at Pocono Skies,which opened my eyes and ears in a big way...

-this makes me wanna build something Smile

_________________
*****************
soundcloud
relaxedmachinery
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
shanemorris
Stream Operator


Joined: Sep 07, 2008
Posts: 1933
Location: dreamtime
Audio files: 83

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
Great sounds Shane!

I would have expected the red and black mic wire exchanged ... but as you don't seem to have a hum problem prolly it's ok the way it is.

And maybe invest in some shrink wrap tubing, its more robust than tape.


Shocked

/me shanester checks his directions again...

_________________
ElectroCasa
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
shanemorris
Stream Operator


Joined: Sep 07, 2008
Posts: 1933
Location: dreamtime
Audio files: 83

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

D.Miñoza wrote:
I love bowls, bells and gongs, etc. LOVE Tibetan bowls..
Wondering how are you're "attacking" the gong?
Are you bowing the edge?

Your microphone project takes me back to Rebecca Mercuri's seminar at Pocono Skies,which opened my eyes and ears in a big way...

-this makes me wanna build something Smile


Dan
Yes bowing the edge of the gong. If you have multiple edges in a gong you can get numerous tones. The edges of lots of things are bowable... I also have some scrap metal, cymbals, and old cymbals that all have their own peculiar sounds.

Some Tibetean bowls would be nice

_________________
ElectroCasa
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
rlainhart



Joined: Jun 07, 2006
Posts: 167
Location: Rockland County, NY
Audio files: 3

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You can also stop the gong with your thumb or finger at different locations while bowing to, with some practice, extract specific pitches. I did a multitrack tape piece in 1975 called "Bronze Cloud Disk" that used just that technique. You can hear a short excerpt of it, from my Experimental Intermedia release called "The Thousand Shades of Blue", here:

http://www.experimentalintermedia.org/mp3/115_disc1_1.mp3

There's another piece from the same time on that release, called "Two Mirrors Face One Another", that uses bowed Japanese temple bowls as the sound source. Here's an excerpt from that:

http://www.experimentalintermedia.org/mp3/115_disc1_2.mp3

_________________
Richard Lainhart
http://www.otownmedia.com
http://www.downloadplatform.com/richard_lainhart
http://www.vimeo.com/rlainhart
http://www.youtube.com/rlainhart
http://soundcloud.com/rlainhart
http://twitter.com/rlainhart
http://www.facebook.com/rlainhart
http://richardlainhart.bandcamp.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
shanemorris
Stream Operator


Joined: Sep 07, 2008
Posts: 1933
Location: dreamtime
Audio files: 83

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

rlainhart wrote:
You can also stop the gong with your thumb or finger at different locations while bowing to, with some practice, extract specific pitches.


Yeah I was using that technique to get more sounds out of the single gong I used. Its quite fun.

Thanks for sharing the links Very Happy

_________________
ElectroCasa
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
mosc
Site Admin


Joined: Jan 31, 2003
Posts: 17611
Location: Allentown, PA
Audio files: 125
G2 patch files: 60

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Have you tried using two pickups on different parts of the cymbals for stereo?
_________________
--Howard
my music and other stuff
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address
shanemorris
Stream Operator


Joined: Sep 07, 2008
Posts: 1933
Location: dreamtime
Audio files: 83

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
Have you tried using two pickups on different parts of the cymbals for stereo?


I thought about that...but I haven't tried it yet. Yesterday I used the contact in conjunction with a condensor mic to get more of the high freqs. That worked out quite well.
Ill be doing some of that in Atmosphera tomorrow evening. Very Happy

_________________
ElectroCasa
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
SPIKE the Percussionist



Joined: Jun 06, 2006
Posts: 73
Location: manipulate.net

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Try bowing Vibes and a Marimba.
Hell...
Anything you can get an edge on that will vibrate.

I really love the sound of bowing metal.

I have a rig setup for just this noiz.

I radar dish to cymbals so i don't have to touch them when bowing.
I haven't seen anyone else do that and I don't know why they wouldn't have to begin with.
(I will need to ask my professor about that one.)

I attached a couple of pics.
One is my general rig of metallics.
The other is a noiz rig for a guest appearance with another project.


SPIKE_the_Percussionist-metallic-rig.JPG
 Description:
mettallics rig
 Filesize:  2.4 MB
 Viewed:  185 Time(s)
This image has been reduced to fit the page. Click on it to enlarge.

SPIKE_the_Percussionist-metallic-rig.JPG



SPIKE_the_Percussionist-noiz-guest.JPG
 Description:
noiz guest rig
 Filesize:  1.94 MB
 Viewed:  189 Time(s)
This image has been reduced to fit the page. Click on it to enlarge.

SPIKE_the_Percussionist-noiz-guest.JPG



_________________


++

[[more noiz!]]

SPIKE the Percussionist

- http://www.manipulate.net -

ASTROGENIC HALLUCINAUTING
CoRE - Troupe Music Director
DOGGEBI
morgue city
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
shanemorris
Stream Operator


Joined: Sep 07, 2008
Posts: 1933
Location: dreamtime
Audio files: 83

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

SPIKE the Percussionist wrote:
Try bowing Vibes and a Marimba.
Hell...
Anything you can get an edge on that will vibrate.

I really love the sound of bowing metal.


Indeed Spike... I have a collection of scrap metals and found sounds in addition to gongs and cymbals that Ive been bowing... as well as a vibraphone. I will be bowing vibes and metals in combination with synths on my show, Atmosphera here at radio.electro-music.com tomorrow evening at 6pm CST|00:00 GMT. Drop the chat and/or listen if you are around!

Cool pics ... thanks for sharing them. This thread has sparked some interesting conversation. Very Happy

_________________
ElectroCasa
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
SPIKE the Percussionist



Joined: Jun 06, 2006
Posts: 73
Location: manipulate.net

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Quote:
Indeed Spike... I have a collection of scrap metals and found sounds in addition to gongs and cymbals that Ive been bowing... as well as a vibraphone. I will be bowing vibes and metals in combination with synths on my show, Atmosphera here at [b][i][color=#255293][b][i][color=#255293]radio.electro-music.com[/color][/i][/b][/color][/i][/b] tomorrow evening at 6pm CST|00:00 GMT. Drop the chat and/or listen if you are around!

Cool pics ... thanks for sharing them. This thread has sparked some interesting conversation. Very Happy


NEAT!
I have a rehearsal at 6:30 so I will try to catch some of your noiz before then!

_________________


++

[[more noiz!]]

SPIKE the Percussionist

- http://www.manipulate.net -

ASTROGENIC HALLUCINAUTING
CoRE - Troupe Music Director
DOGGEBI
morgue city
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
cbm



Joined: Oct 25, 2005
Posts: 381
Location: San Francisco

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Superballs are also great to excite gongs.
_________________
Chris Muir
http://www.eardrill.com <– My jobby (more than a hobby, less than a job)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
shanemorris
Stream Operator


Joined: Sep 07, 2008
Posts: 1933
Location: dreamtime
Audio files: 83

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

cbm wrote:
Superballs are also great to excite gongs.


Yes thanks for that reminder... I have one around here somewhere that ill try to use tomorrow. Very Happy

_________________
ElectroCasa
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
shanemorris
Stream Operator


Joined: Sep 07, 2008
Posts: 1933
Location: dreamtime
Audio files: 83

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here is a couple pics of my instruments and arrangement for tomorrow's performance on Atmosphera.


P1010165.JPG
 Description:
Gong and Cymbals
 Filesize:  644.3 KB
 Viewed:  184 Time(s)
This image has been reduced to fit the page. Click on it to enlarge.

P1010165.JPG



P1010167.JPG
 Description:
 Filesize:  569.99 KB
 Viewed:  189 Time(s)
This image has been reduced to fit the page. Click on it to enlarge.

P1010167.JPG



_________________
ElectroCasa
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
SPIKE the Percussionist



Joined: Jun 06, 2006
Posts: 73
Location: manipulate.net

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

cbm wrote:
Superballs are also great to excite gongs.


I have 2 pairs of the Mike Baltar Superball mallets and they work REALLY great. I also found another company who makes them with sets of 3 on each mallet which is nice.

My friend Z'ev makes his own with a certain type of hacksaw blade.

The trick is that the thing that the ball is attached to has enough give to vibrate and allow the ball to bounce.

_________________


++

[[more noiz!]]

SPIKE the Percussionist

- http://www.manipulate.net -

ASTROGENIC HALLUCINAUTING
CoRE - Troupe Music Director
DOGGEBI
morgue city
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
SPIKE the Percussionist



Joined: Jun 06, 2006
Posts: 73
Location: manipulate.net

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

shanemorris wrote:
Here is a couple pics of my instruments and arrangement for tomorrow's performance on Atmosphera.


NEAT!
Your vibes look WAAAAYY better than my mine.

I have the world's most P.A.F. set of vibes.

I would really like some new ones but i keep gravitating toward a Mallet Kat.

ack!

_________________


++

[[more noiz!]]

SPIKE the Percussionist

- http://www.manipulate.net -

ASTROGENIC HALLUCINAUTING
CoRE - Troupe Music Director
DOGGEBI
morgue city
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
shanemorris
Stream Operator


Joined: Sep 07, 2008
Posts: 1933
Location: dreamtime
Audio files: 83

PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

SPIKE the Percussionist wrote:

NEAT!
Your vibes look WAAAAYY better than my mine.

I have the world's most P.A.F. set of vibes.

I would really like some new ones but i keep gravitating toward a Mallet Kat.

ack!


Thanks Spike... I have Ross 715S vibes which I like a lot. I also have a malletkat as well... although it needs to be sent off for repairs.

_________________
ElectroCasa
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
kkissinger



Joined: Mar 28, 2006
Posts: 1214
Location: Kansas City, Mo USA
Audio files: 29

PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Shane, listening to your mp3 now. Great sounds -- very meditative.

Can you include this in the late-night-ambient drift music in Kansas City? (hint hint Wink )

_________________
-- Kevin
http://kevinkissinger.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic Moderators: shanemorris
Page 1 of 2 [34 Posts]
View unread posts
View new posts in the last week
Goto page: 1, 2 Next
Mark the topic unread :: View previous topic :: View next topic
 Forum index » Artists » Shane Morris
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
e-m mkii

Please support our site. If you click through and buy from
our affiliate partners, we earn a small commission.


Forum with support of Syndicator RSS
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
Copyright © 2003 through 2009 by electro-music.com - Conditions Of Use