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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I heard that Leopard is a hog and Snow Leopard is way more efficient.I don't have any direct experience though having leapfrogged over leopard.


That's nonsense. Who told you that load of hogwash?

SL is more efficient if the computer you have just purchased was purchased with SL installed. FWIW, Macs won't run an OS that is older than the one supplied and pre-installed. I've found SL a lot more buggy than Leopard too.


The salesman at Microcenter where I bought my MBP.

I know a guy out in San Francisco that's a certified Mac tech,maybe I'll ask him what he thinks.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I wouldn't say Leopard is a hog but the snow covered one is faster especially if you have 64 bits and multicore.

A 64 bit app can run up to 50% quicker in SL compared to L

You probably wouldn't see much difference for 32 bit apps.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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The trick is to use the SSDs for the important tasks that require speed, and use the traditional spinning platters for the stuff that doesn´t require fast access.


I'm not sure how to do that without needing a large drive. For me, what needs speed is access to audio files in projects, and those are the space-eaters. The OS and programs take up a relatively very small amount of disk space.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Obviously you are stuck if you don´t have a tower cab with room for at least 4 drives. Shocked Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Obviously you are stuck if you don´t have a tower cab with room for at least 4 drives. Shocked Very Happy


Got it! In fact, I think I have room for six in my new DAW.

Just waiting for prices to descend.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I wouldn't say Leopard is a hog but the snow covered one is faster especially if you have 64 bits and multicore.

A 64 bit app can run up to 50% quicker in SL compared to L

You probably wouldn't see much difference for 32 bit apps.


I wasn't referring to speed so much as using a lot of memory.

The reason I didn't move from Tiger to Leopard is that my older Macbbook was maxed out at 2 gigs of ram and that was the minimum recommended to run Leopard as I recall.(they released ones that could take 4 gigs right after I bought mine) I didn't think it was going to help me any running a DAW and plug ins to have an OS that required more resources.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It all depends on the mix of hardware, DAW applications and plugins. It is always wise to be aware that one might have to freeze the config at some point in order to not downgrade into Sam Peckinpah slow motion hell.

BTW, the car chase sequence in The Osterman Weekend is quite good.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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It seems that there are several decent display options, so this does not have to be too bad all things considered.

BTW, I´m expecting that the "new" hype of flash ram /SSD storage means that 10.7 comes with some sort of documentation regarding trim and such

Currently there is a kind of controversy regarding how well SSDs actually work with OS X. Or.. more like a WTF situation..

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/apple/2010/07/01/mac-ssd-performance-trim-in-osx/7


This is a pretty old topic, but since I've bought a Mac (personal use) and
we've started looking at SSDs where I work...

We do have a Mac Air with 64GB SSD. From hybrid sleep to desktop is about 3 seconds. From cold power off to desktop is still a pretty long time.
There is 11-13 seconds of no activity on the SATA bus, before the host issues the first command. I guess it takes that long to do all the internal hardware testing and initialization.

I don't think OSX supports trim yet, and haven't seen any posts about when it will.

I have seen several reports stating SSDs are less reliable than HDDs, so for my own personal use, I'll wait a few years until the prices drop and reliability goes up.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm still waiting for data crystals...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I´ve installed SSDs in several Mac Pros recently. It works fine and yes.. there were several WTF moments as it seems OS X 10.6x does have some hidden TRIM tricks.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I´ve installed SSDs in several Mac Pros recently. It works fine and yes.. there were several WTF moments as it seems OS X 10.6x does have some hidden TRIM tricks.


It's not easy to tell from the user point of view if the os is issuing the trim command or not. It could be that the ssd doesn't even support it.

Without being able to see how the device reports its capabilities to the os through the ATA/SATA Identify Device command you would need a SATA bus analyzer to capture the command sequence and see if trim is even being issued.

OSX may even have a utility for dumping low level info from the device driver, but being new to OSX I couldn't find anything like this.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Whatever it is in OS X 10.6.6 that makes the SSD experience fairly decent, there is still not a proper TRIM as TRIM is now officially included in the Lion beta. And sure, Trim is a pretty new addition to SSDs, and there are many SSD devices that won´t support it.
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http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/25/apple_adds_ssd_trim_support_to_mac_os_x_10_7_lion_beta.html
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http://www.9to5mac.com/54102/10-7-lion-allows-multi-user-remote-computing

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It seems that OS X isn´t going for the cloud experience ( whatever that is ) but is instead aiming for actual sensible features. That being said, you can kinda do this already but in a slightly more messy way.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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you can kinda do this already but in a slightly more messy way.


Laughing

Yes, I know. I've been trying to set this Mini up to talk with a MBP. It's been a reasonably successful venture, but I wish I were more savvy with the terminal! Shocked

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Will you be able to do this the classic X way, with individual windows being redirected to external graphics displays, or do you need to have a whole desktop screen Windows-style?

I remember being used to working with Sparc stations and moving to Windows with remote desktops - I've always preferred opening individual windows. But then again, no one I know likes to have a big pile of unmaximized windows on top of each other like I do. Laughing

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But then again, no one I know likes to have a big pile of unmaximized windows on top of each other like I do. Laughing


Shocked I do! Shocked Laughing

Then I discovered the "command-`" key combination! Cool Laughing

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you can kinda do this already but in a slightly more messy way.


Laughing

Yes, I know. I've been trying to set this Mini up to talk with a MBP. It's been a reasonably successful venture, but I wish I were more savvy with the terminal! Shocked


http://www.linuxconfig.org/Bash_scripting_Tutorial
http://www.amazon.com/Learning-bash-Shell-Programming-Nutshell/dp/0596009658

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cappy2112 wrote:
v-un-v wrote:
elektro80 wrote:
you can kinda do this already but in a slightly more messy way.


Laughing

Yes, I know. I've been trying to set this Mini up to talk with a MBP. It's been a reasonably successful venture, but I wish I were more savvy with the terminal! Shocked


http://www.linuxconfig.org/Bash_scripting_Tutorial
http://www.amazon.com/Learning-bash-Shell-Programming-Nutshell/dp/0596009658


Maybe best start with http://www.amazon.com/Computers-Seniors-Dummies-Nancy-Muir/dp/0470534834/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1298910895&sr=1-3 Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

very funny. Rolling Eyes Evil or Very Mad Laughing

I worked out why I could never get svn working with Beanstalk, that's because Beanstalk only allows for one user on the account. Because you set it up, it certainly wasn't going to let another in. Yeah, spin on that one Capon! Laughing Laughing

Maybe it's YOU who should be reading "OAP computing for Dummies"!?! Razz Laughing Laughing

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http://www.linuxconfig.org/Bash_scripting_Tutorial


Shocked

Actually, it looks like Capon may have a point! Shocked Shocked Embarassed Laughing

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very funny. Rolling Eyes Evil or Very Mad Laughing

I worked out why I could never get svn working with Beanstalk, that's because Beanstalk only allows for one user on the account. Because you set it up, it certainly wasn't going to let another in. Yeah, spin on that one Capon! Laughing Laughing

Maybe it's YOU who should be reading "OAP computing for Dummies"!?! Razz Laughing Laughing


We did have multiple users in beanstalk, thats how you managed to add 253 new files into the repository!
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Well that doesn't make any fucking sense at all.

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I setup another repository up on this computer, following this guide;

http://gigaom.com/apple/how-to-setup-a-svn-server-under-os-x-10-6/

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