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pyrosonic
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BobTheDog
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:19 am Post subject:
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I wouldn't say Leopard is a hog but the snow covered one is faster especially if you have 64 bits and multicore.
A 64 bit app can run up to 50% quicker in SL compared to L
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nobody
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:22 am Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | The trick is to use the SSDs for the important tasks that require speed, and use the traditional spinning platters for the stuff that doesn´t require fast access. |
I'm not sure how to do that without needing a large drive. For me, what needs speed is access to audio files in projects, and those are the space-eaters. The OS and programs take up a relatively very small amount of disk space. |
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elektro80
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:12 am Post subject:
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Obviously you are stuck if you don´t have a tower cab with room for at least 4 drives. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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nobody
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:31 pm Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | Obviously you are stuck if you don´t have a tower cab with room for at least 4 drives. |
Got it! In fact, I think I have room for six in my new DAW.
Just waiting for prices to descend. |
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pyrosonic
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elektro80
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject:
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It all depends on the mix of hardware, DAW applications and plugins. It is always wise to be aware that one might have to freeze the config at some point in order to not downgrade into Sam Peckinpah slow motion hell.
BTW, the car chase sequence in The Osterman Weekend is quite good. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:48 pm Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | It seems that there are several decent display options, so this does not have to be too bad all things considered.
BTW, I´m expecting that the "new" hype of flash ram /SSD storage means that 10.7 comes with some sort of documentation regarding trim and such
Currently there is a kind of controversy regarding how well SSDs actually work with OS X. Or.. more like a WTF situation..
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/apple/2010/07/01/mac-ssd-performance-trim-in-osx/7 |
This is a pretty old topic, but since I've bought a Mac (personal use) and
we've started looking at SSDs where I work...
We do have a Mac Air with 64GB SSD. From hybrid sleep to desktop is about 3 seconds. From cold power off to desktop is still a pretty long time.
There is 11-13 seconds of no activity on the SATA bus, before the host issues the first command. I guess it takes that long to do all the internal hardware testing and initialization.
I don't think OSX supports trim yet, and haven't seen any posts about when it will.
I have seen several reports stating SSDs are less reliable than HDDs, so for my own personal use, I'll wait a few years until the prices drop and reliability goes up. _________________ Free Tibet. Release the Panchen Lama from prison. Let the Dalai Lama return to his home. |
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nobody
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:24 am Post subject:
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I'm still waiting for data crystals... |
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elektro80
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:03 am Post subject:
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I´ve installed SSDs in several Mac Pros recently. It works fine and yes.. there were several WTF moments as it seems OS X 10.6x does have some hidden TRIM tricks. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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cappy2112
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:41 pm Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | I´ve installed SSDs in several Mac Pros recently. It works fine and yes.. there were several WTF moments as it seems OS X 10.6x does have some hidden TRIM tricks. |
It's not easy to tell from the user point of view if the os is issuing the trim command or not. It could be that the ssd doesn't even support it.
Without being able to see how the device reports its capabilities to the os through the ATA/SATA Identify Device command you would need a SATA bus analyzer to capture the command sequence and see if trim is even being issued.
OSX may even have a utility for dumping low level info from the device driver, but being new to OSX I couldn't find anything like this. _________________ Free Tibet. Release the Panchen Lama from prison. Let the Dalai Lama return to his home. |
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elektro80
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:17 pm Post subject:
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Whatever it is in OS X 10.6.6 that makes the SSD experience fairly decent, there is still not a proper TRIM as TRIM is now officially included in the Lion beta. And sure, Trim is a pretty new addition to SSDs, and there are many SSD devices that won´t support it. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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v-un-v
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject:
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http://www.9to5mac.com/54102/10-7-lion-allows-multi-user-remote-computing
WOW! _________________ ACHTUNG!
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IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
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elektro80
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject:
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It seems that OS X isn´t going for the cloud experience ( whatever that is ) but is instead aiming for actual sensible features. That being said, you can kinda do this already but in a slightly more messy way. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:55 am Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | you can kinda do this already but in a slightly more messy way. |
Yes, I know. I've been trying to set this Mini up to talk with a MBP. It's been a reasonably successful venture, but I wish I were more savvy with the terminal! _________________ ACHTUNG!
ALLES TURISTEN UND NONTEKNISCHEN LOOKENPEEPERS!
DAS KOMPUTERMASCHINE IST NICHT FÜR DER GEFINGERPOKEN UND MITTENGRABEN! ODERWISE IST EASY TO SCHNAPPEN DER SPRINGENWERK, BLOWENFUSEN UND POPPENCORKEN MIT SPITZENSPARKSEN.
IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
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Antimon
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Will you be able to do this the classic X way, with individual windows being redirected to external graphics displays, or do you need to have a whole desktop screen Windows-style?
I remember being used to working with Sparc stations and moving to Windows with remote desktops - I've always preferred opening individual windows. But then again, no one I know likes to have a big pile of unmaximized windows on top of each other like I do.
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:44 am Post subject:
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Antimon wrote: | But then again, no one I know likes to have a big pile of unmaximized windows on top of each other like I do.
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I do!
Then I discovered the "command-`" key combination! _________________ ACHTUNG!
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DAS KOMPUTERMASCHINE IST NICHT FÜR DER GEFINGERPOKEN UND MITTENGRABEN! ODERWISE IST EASY TO SCHNAPPEN DER SPRINGENWERK, BLOWENFUSEN UND POPPENCORKEN MIT SPITZENSPARKSEN.
IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
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BobTheDog
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:48 pm Post subject:
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very funny.
I worked out why I could never get svn working with Beanstalk, that's because Beanstalk only allows for one user on the account. Because you set it up, it certainly wasn't going to let another in. Yeah, spin on that one Capon!
Maybe it's YOU who should be reading "OAP computing for Dummies"!?! _________________ ACHTUNG!
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IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
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v-un-v
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:57 pm Post subject:
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Actually, it looks like Capon may have a point! _________________ ACHTUNG!
ALLES TURISTEN UND NONTEKNISCHEN LOOKENPEEPERS!
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IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
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BobTheDog
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v-un-v wrote: | very funny.
I worked out why I could never get svn working with Beanstalk, that's because Beanstalk only allows for one user on the account. Because you set it up, it certainly wasn't going to let another in. Yeah, spin on that one Capon!
Maybe it's YOU who should be reading "OAP computing for Dummies"!?! |
We did have multiple users in beanstalk, thats how you managed to add 253 new files into the repository! |
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:27 pm Post subject:
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Well that doesn't make any fucking sense at all.
Quote: | Trial Account
Try out Beanstalk with 100 MB Storage, 1 User, 1 Repository. |
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I setup another repository up on this computer, following this guide;
http://gigaom.com/apple/how-to-setup-a-svn-server-under-os-x-10-6/ _________________ ACHTUNG!
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IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
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