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Hard Sync Tutorial (etc) for G2?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:29 am    Post subject:  Hard Sync Tutorial (etc) for G2?
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Hello.
Ive just found these tutorials for some interesting sound stuff but they all seem to be using the G1 Nord . Does anyone know if it was ever updated for the G2 or if there are any other good advanced G2 tutorials?
Thanks!
http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/Modularzone/Hardsync.html

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I don't know if it is an update, and I suppose you already know his G2 tutorial... Il not, it is here
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-1638.html
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks.
Yes I've done that one and its great. now i want more!

i Found this one aswell but its also For G1
http://www.cim.mcgill.ca/~clark/nordmodularbook/nm_book_toc.html

obviosuly the same techniques apply but im quite interested in getting in deep with the examples and listening to exactly what the guys are discussing

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

See my blog:
http://rolandkuit.blogspot.com/
or here at the discussion pages about SoundLab I & II.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Looks cool, i cant seem to find the price? how much is it?
thx

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thank you for your interest.
You can find the price and how to order information at the right side of my blog.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Am i reading that right? 110 euros?

anyone got any links to any other free tutorials?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ssgrfk wrote:
Am i reading that right? 110 euros?

anyone got any links to any other free tutorials?
thanks


I think someone tried to convert all of the G1 tutorial patches to the G2, I think it is on the forum somewhere. There is a catch though, there is a connection called Master/Slave on the G1 which isn't there on the G2. In certain situations it can be worked around and in others I am pretty sure it can't. I tried to do similar to you at one point and I seem to remember that master/slave business caused a lot of problems.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Plenty of members are happy to answer specific questions.
Also you can do a search for old posts. I seem to remember Tim doing some interesting sync related stuff.

Phase sync is one of the things the G2 does not do very well.

If you sample a regular G2 saw sync sweep, you can see that where the sync oscillator self resets, there is sinc shaping on the waveform indicating good anti-aliasing. Unfortunately the resets from the master seem to only have trivial anti-aliasing and this makes the effect sound awful. Pity because I love the sync sweep sound.

It is also a pity that we never got a proper tri-core soft sync option where the waveform slope changes direction on each edge of the master oscillator.
The sound is somewhat similar to the wave wrapper effect but different enough to be missed.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I seem to remember Tim doing some interesting sync related stuff.

I was trying to work around the bad sync implementation on the G2. Sync sweeps with 50/50 pulse waves can be "faked" quite OK with resonant bandpass filters going into a feedbacked hardclipping circuit. Controlling the feedback relative to filter frequency (rolling off subtly at high freq) makes it virtually immune to aliasing.

Lately I've been thinking if DPW anti-aliasing works in a DIY hardsync scenario. It came to my mind since I've finally come up with a DIY sawtooth osc that has perfect tracking and full 24 bit pitch resolution a few days ago. I'll try it.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

[Am i reading that right? 110 euros? ]
Yes, it is a whole school coarse.

An other way to get softsync:
pulse osc syncs a fm osc(Tri). detune FM osc at pitch and FM input with a constant module and a EG or LFO.
(FM on FM tracking)

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Tim Kleinert wrote:

Lately I've been thinking if DPW anti-aliasing works in a DIY hardsync scenario. It came to my mind since I've finally come up with a DIY sawtooth osc that has perfect tracking and full 24 bit pitch resolution a few days ago. I'll try it.


Look forward to that.

This morning I thought about how to maybe mask the poor sync parts of the wave. Since we know which part of the wave is the problem.

This patch uses a LfoShp as the master oscillator which can produce a level signal that 'ducks' during the offending reset. It is less than ideal because using a control rate signal as the sync source makes the aliasing worse to begin with.


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