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kylecrispin
Joined: Apr 17, 2005 Posts: 4 Location: Isla Mujeres, MX and (madison, wi)
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:17 pm Post subject:
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Anyone got one? I do...
I noticed there are a lot of patches for the Dx7 in the patches section so maybe some of you guys have a discussion thread about fm synthesis going? I need help. i can't get some of the algorithms to make sound.... |
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seraph
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Joined: Jun 21, 2003 Posts: 12398 Location: Firenze, Italy
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:51 pm Post subject:
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Hi kylecrispin
welcome to electro-music.com
Quote: | i can't get some of the algorithms to make sound.... |
have you checked the output level of the carrier _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
Quote: | Don't die with your music still in you - Wayne Dyer |
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ian-s
Joined: Apr 01, 2004 Posts: 2669 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 3:16 pm Post subject:
Re: Yamaha Dx200 |
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kylecrispin wrote: | I need help. i can't get some of the algorithms to make sound.... |
That is unusual. Each algorithm must have at least one carrier. The carrier is the operator at the end or bottom of each chain. If you start from a certain preset and just change the algorithm, I guess it is possible to come across algorithms where an operator that was an unused modulator (level set to zero) gets shifted down to a carrier position. Not just output level, but DX style envelopes (which are an acquired taste) may have very slow attacks. Level curves can also mute operators in a specific part of the keyboard and also, operator frequency can be set to zero Hz. If in doubt, start from voice init, which will produce a sound with any algorithm.
Even in its heyday, very few owners actually did more than tweak the odd factory preset. Pity, because FM is goldmine of interesting timbres. The G2 is great at FM, if you want to use 17 operators, you can. And you can connect them any way you want. |
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kylecrispin
Joined: Apr 17, 2005 Posts: 4 Location: Isla Mujeres, MX and (madison, wi)
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:22 pm Post subject:
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Thanks for the suggestions. It is hard on the dx200 to start from scratch in anyway so when I switch the algorithms there is already a lot of settings in place. I will try setting the gate time way up with some of the "silent" algorithms to see if the slow attack thing is the prob with some of em.
excited to have found a knowledgeable group to help this noob.
Thx
Ps. I don't wanna be one of the ones just tweaking the presets. The DX200 may be a silly groove box but it has a wicked little synth in it. |
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mosc
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Joined: Jan 31, 2003 Posts: 18197 Location: Durham, NC
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:09 pm Post subject:
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I'm in no way an expert on the Yamaha DX synths. I find programming them to be rather arcane and not intuitive. For that reason, I think tweaking parameters on stock patches isn't all that bad an idea. _________________ --Howard
my music and other stuff |
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zynthetix
Joined: Jun 12, 2003 Posts: 838 Location: nyc
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:21 pm Post subject:
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Does the DX200 have the same, verbatim, algorithms as the DX7? If so, there might be sites with algorithm maps that might help you follow the signal path, or I can dig around for some and post a scan if they are scarce.
edit: while we're talking about FM, one great feature of the G2's DXRouter module that I always liked is the "picture"/"map" of the selected algorithm on the module. |
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egw
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Joined: Feb 01, 2003 Posts: 1569 Location: Asheville NC
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:30 am Post subject:
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The DX200 has the same algorithms as the DX7.
It can even play DX7 patches.
It also adds a few nice features - knobs for real time control, an analog style filter, effects.
Plus a sequencer which is somewhat limited but still fun. |
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egw
Stream Operator
Joined: Feb 01, 2003 Posts: 1569 Location: Asheville NC
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:37 am Post subject:
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kylecrispin
Joined: Apr 17, 2005 Posts: 4 Location: Isla Mujeres, MX and (madison, wi)
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject:
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The manual actually has diagrams of all the algorithms. On the synth you can choose 3 different parts of the "stack"(under modulator) to edit. So you have to look at the diagram and then go to an index that shows what 1,2,3 mean. Because most algorithms have 5-6 operators you have to look up what 1,2,3 correspond to. I will try going in again and making sure i am tweaking the paramaters for the carriers. When I go home (i am living in Mexico teaching english right now) I will have access to the computer editor for the patches.
Phew! I hope i got all that operator , carrier , modulator stuff right. |
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kylecrispin
Joined: Apr 17, 2005 Posts: 4 Location: Isla Mujeres, MX and (madison, wi)
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:00 pm Post subject:
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This is an aside but people gotta know.
The worst thing about the dx200 is that it is a polyphonic synth but the sequencer can only handle it monophonically. so if you wanted to use it just as a synth (playing it with an external midi keyboard), you could record it polyphonic into a computer or external other device. But when you just use the dx200 its one note all the way baby. Also the keys are gate only. Overall though i think its an awesome little box. and I got mine for $160 US. definitely worth that much!! |
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deknow
Joined: Sep 15, 2004 Posts: 1307 Location: Leominster, MA (USA)
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject:
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my recolection (someone correct me if i'm wrong) was that this and the an200 both had a bug when synced to midi clock, they would fall behind when changing patterns.
deknow |
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egw
Stream Operator
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:12 pm Post subject:
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I think the bug is that they can drop the first note when changing patterns, but they don't fall behind.
I never used the sequencer much, as it can only play 12 or 16 step patterns. |
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deknow
Joined: Sep 15, 2004 Posts: 1307 Location: Leominster, MA (USA)
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:23 pm Post subject:
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oh, that isn't as bad as i thought.
deknow |
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