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commathe
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:31 pm Post subject:
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Haven't breadboard this yet, but the idea struck me when looking at the MFOS Weird Sound Generator schematic and wondering about how the gate control works and how to put it in my next build.
I had wanted to adapt the WSG core to wire the transistor cv in and the gate straight to the front panel for patching. Part of me thought two cv ins per oscillator was a little over kill too (though I might still go for it!)
Anyway, it struck me that adding a pot between the cv in and the diode would affect the pulse width of the gate and could even end up in cv control. Turn the resistance all the way down for classic WSG gating, and all the way up for pure FM, with things in between possible!
I plan on testing this tomorrow or at the weekend, hopefully have some scope traces and sound clips too.
NOTE: I didn't set the internal impedance of the signal source so the results are not going to be very accurate, though they do hint towards what is possible. I tried setting an impedance of 10k when I used the triangle wave test, but I am skeptical it will be accurate either.
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commathe
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commathe
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:48 pm Post subject:
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Some more analysis of this: It's not exactly FM, but it's altering adjusting the pulse width of the sync/gate effect. It seems to be doing this by adjusting how fast the cap discharges when the diode is forward biased - which also means it will have less "recovery time" needed to charge up enough to start oscillation again.
The pot also effectively adjusts the knee of the diode, which causes larger and larger ranges of cv input to make the cap charge slower rather than fully discharge.
Not sure if I'm totally right - just speculation |
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Cynosure
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:42 am Post subject:
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Cool! The one that looks like a saw wave is especially interesting. Can you provide a schematic to get that to work after you test it on breadboard? |
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commathe
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:36 pm Post subject:
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Unfortunately the saw-like output is not possible. It's an error in the simulation caused by me setting the cv source as having an output impedance of 0 ohms! If you check the scale, the simulation calculated it as less than 0.01Vpp.
I'm going to breadboard this Friday because I also want to try the diode the other way for some more CV experimentation but I think I am most likely to go for the WSG-style NPN transistor across the pot for modulation.
I'll post back with results when I get them. I'll try to take sound clips of all of them |
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commathe
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:34 am Post subject:
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Lots of pictures and sound samples incoming!
This is going to be part of an article I plan on doing about 40106 oscillators and adding cv to them along with explanations of the hows, whats and and whys.
Overall, if you only want to use square LFOs, then I recommend a 100k pot for the series resistance in front/behind the diode. Good range of sounds available there. If you want to use sine/triangle then a maybe 20k max, but non-digital values have limited use. Not as cool as I hoped but definitely still useful.
There is a threshold point of resistance, over which the output stops being gated and becomes "true" FM. This threshold area is really tiny but could yield some very cool results. I might go back and try pin pointing it and then using a fixed series resistance. Results with analog waveform lfos might be better then.
You can also flip the diode round but it basically sounds the same. Instead, the discharging is slow and the voltage it hits when it gates is high instead of low.
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Sweeping a buffered cv source with about 25k resistance inserted. Kind of disappointing. Has made me write this off for non-square LFOs. Very small range of voltages have an effect. Increased resistance makes the range become even smaller |
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Buffered CV source sweep with no series resistance. You'll notice that it is either off or the pitch set by the pot. Kind of useless |
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Slow LFO, I sweep the series resistance. Goes from being gated completely, to a nee-naw modulation of the frequency. |
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The most interesting in my opinion. CV and carrier frequency quite close. All that's being adjusted is the series resistance. Really interesting clashing, dissonany sounds here. |
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commathe
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:46 am Post subject:
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There appears to be a maximum of 5 attachments.
Should have mentioned. In all oscilloscope shots - top is square out from the 40106. 2V/div. Bottom is from the cap. 1V/div.
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This is with the resistance set just around the threshold that pushes it into true FM instead of gating. |
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Resistance close to reaching the threshold. Notice how the cap charges up to a certain point when the cv is low but can't get high enough to flip the schmitt trigger |
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No sound because the cap can't charge in time. |
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This is when the carrier is *just* fast enough to get one transition in. Very nasal pwm sound |
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This one is a little different. This is when the carrier frequency starts off too low to charge the cap when the modulation is high. Interesting pwm effects |
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commathe
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:50 am Post subject:
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For comparison, this is without any CV. Again, top is output, bottom is cap. |
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cv modulation with no series reistance |
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synaesthesia
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:25 am Post subject:
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Very nice article, commathe. Thanks for posting it. I always wondered why the diode is backwards in this kind of circuit, now I finally understand. |
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commathe
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:31 am Post subject:
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Interestingly, having the diode the other way round actually has the exact same effect. It took me a little bit of time to wrap my head around that myself! |
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synaesthesia
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:37 am Post subject:
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Right, you can switch the oscillator on and off in both cases. But the diode in reverse direction switches it ON with a 1 (Vdd) and OFF with a 0 (GND). I find that more logical. |
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billsship
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:23 pm Post subject:
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Thanks commanthe for the PDF and the great explanations. It really shows me some new uses for the 40106. _________________ Vine username: "billsship"
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