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General Elektrick
Joined: Apr 06, 2004 Posts: 254 Location: Berlin/Germany
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:27 am Post subject:
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I also have the Modular and the G2.
For dirty Drum n Bass amen breaks I prefer the old Classic soundwise.
For spacy Noodles I prefer the G2 soundwise.
This year I decided that i need a real modular and after taking a look at
http://www.buchla.com/200e/index.html
and the pricing information there
I got myself a doepfer A 100 system. After the first 3 month i started to patch more and more on the G2 again. I am not so happy with the sound of the A100 and the Analog Solution Modules. They are pretty noizy compared to the clean sounds of the G2.
Well I will see if I am going to sell the A 100 Stuff or keep it as an addition. _________________ Best,
General Elektrick
"If something is boring after two minutes, try it for four. If still boring, then eight. Then sixteen. Then thirty-two. Eventually one discovers that it is not boring at all." --John Cage. |
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Rob
Joined: Mar 29, 2004 Posts: 580 Location: The Hague/Netherlands/EC
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:24 pm Post subject:
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kmmcdonald wrote: | The bottom line is that I am weighing a choice between the G2X and a Studio Electronics Omega-8. Unfortunately, I am unable to audition the G2X in my area. So, my question is this:
How does the sound of the original NM and the G2X compare with each other? Is the G2X any smoother? Is the low end any more solid?
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Why don't you try the G2 demo software. You should use a good soundcard, but I understand that you have a rather good one. For comparison, here is an 'analog' patch that can be used to compare the G2/G2X/G2E with any analog synth.
In my experience the G2 can stand up against any analog synth, except for analog hum, crackling pots and blown out analog components. Still, some heavy patching and sonic trickery is often needed to get the right sound. Like you need a big bottom? Why not add that sine osc set to one or two octaves below? Such a thingy is a jiffy on the G2. Not satisfied with the resonance of a filter? Why not add your own resonance feedback path to get just the right stuff, while using all that trickery or wizardry written about on e.g. those analog synth DIY lists? Or this forum.
The G2 is much more flexible in adapting the sound of its modules than the classic NM. And face it, if on any fixed architecture synth you need just that extra third LFO for your sound (or five extra ones) you're in deep trouble...
If I were you I would at least bargain a discount on the Omega just to get e.g. an extra G2 Engine to be on the safe side of things. I think one should be able to talk 900 off from 4500.
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An 'analog synth' to run in e.g. the G2 demo software to compare it with any other 'analog synth', just to get the idea. But do use a good sound card. |
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mosc
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Joined: Jan 31, 2003 Posts: 18197 Location: Durham, NC
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:23 pm Post subject:
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Wow! That is a lot more than a little demo of the G2 doing an analog synth. That is a great patch. Naturally, since I have a G2X, I immediately cranked it up to 8 voice polyphony. Then got in and started adjusting things. Rob, you put good names on the controls so it makes one feel like they know what they are doing to adjust things.
Woah... another gem. I could see playing this at a Philly spacemusic concert and bringing down the house. (Well, in space music that is a bit of an overstatement. ) _________________ --Howard
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dasz
Joined: Oct 16, 2004 Posts: 1644 Location: victoria, canada
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:38 am Post subject:
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A great patch, Rob ... very oberheim-ish ... love the delay ....
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Afro88
Joined: Jun 20, 2004 Posts: 701 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:12 pm Post subject:
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Superb patch, sounds fantastic. Thanks Rob! |
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G2DREAM
Joined: Apr 27, 2005 Posts: 171 Location: Athens,Greece
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:40 am Post subject:
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Very nice job Rob!You are the Ronaldinhio of the Modulars! |
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Tim Kleinert
Joined: Mar 12, 2004 Posts: 1148 Location: Zürich, Switzerland
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject:
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Rob wrote: |
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In my experience the G2 can stand up against any analog synth, except for analog hum, crackling pots and blown out analog components.
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I cannot agree with this statement.
I've delved into many different approaches to replicate the musical qualities of analog circuitry on the G2. This has been a fun and highly instructive undertaking in itself. And although the results have indeed yielded considerable sonic improvements, there still remains a big difference between the G2 and analogue synths.
So my attitude is this: if you want analogue sound, get an analogue synth! The G2 is digital and will always sound digital. I'm not saying this to bash the G2. I own two G2Xs -I think this is ample proof of my opinion on this instrument. Who says digital is bad anyway? Sometimes digital is the only way to do things.
But if you want the analogue sound, I don't think there is a substitute and I don't think there can ever be. A discrete time domain machine can never replicate the behaviour of a continuous time domain machine -you will always hear a difference.
So I prefer to use the G2 for synthesis things that can only be successfully done in the digital domain.
For analogue: I'm lusting after those Cwejman synths... man, do they sound incredible! Well, I know, they're not Clavia and they're not red -but hey, at least they're swedish. |
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mosc
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject:
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tim wrote: | For analogue: I'm lusting after those Cwejman synths... man, do they sound incredible! Well, I know, they're not Clavia and they're not red -but hey, at least they're swedish. |
Those are goovy synths. I suppose you have noticed that we've started a Cwejman user forum here on electro-music.com. If you get one, you won't have to go away for another community. Which one are you lusting for, the S1 or S2? I haven't yet seen one in the flesh, but they look like dreamy boxes. _________________ --Howard
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dasz
Joined: Oct 16, 2004 Posts: 1644 Location: victoria, canada
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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They must be swedish, the knobs look like NM Classic and Lead1/2 knobs! Made in sweden definitely ...
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G2DREAM
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mosc
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:25 am Post subject:
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G2DREAM wrote: | http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_artikel-184088.html?sn=1a4312e56f06ee913ac5c7ac50f67a14
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What is the frown for, the price? _________________ --Howard
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elektro80
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:36 am Post subject:
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G2DREAM wrote: | http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_artikel-184088.html?sn=1a4312e56f06ee913ac5c7ac50f67a14
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You know.. the synth isn´t that small in real life. The picture is NOT 1:1
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G2DREAM
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:37 pm Post subject:
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Yeap, the price...
But who needs it?
Back to my engine! |
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Tim Kleinert
Joined: Mar 12, 2004 Posts: 1148 Location: Zürich, Switzerland
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:47 pm Post subject:
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G2DREAM wrote: | Yeap, the price...
But who needs it?
Back to my engine! |
...and the aliasing narrow pulse oscillators.
*ducks*
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ian-s
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:53 pm Post subject:
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Its a little cheaper than a Moog Voyager. No presets but that might be a good thing. Similar module compliment.
It reminds me (visually) of the old ETI synthesizer, with the layout of the oscillators. |
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mosc
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:19 pm Post subject:
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g2ian wrote: | Its a little cheaper than a Moog Voyager. No presets but that might be a good thing. Similar module compliment.
It reminds me (visually) of the old ETI synthesizer, with the layout of the oscillators. |
That's the best pic I could find of the eti _________________ --Howard
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:24 am Post subject:
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what about this one? it was a click away from the previous one _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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