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How to find the right patch?
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cappy2112



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:41 pm    Post subject: How to find the right patch? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

This may seem like an easy question to answer, but it still eludes me.

When I find a well-sequenced midi file, I like to replace the ryhtmn or synth lead sounds of the computer's built -in sound card, by re-directing that channel through the midi port, to my outboard synths.

I typically do this one track at a time.

However, whenever I play that track through a patch in my outboard synths, it typically sounds like crap.

I have several good-sounding synths, with loads of patches for each, but never can find a patch which "sounds good" with any midi files I've tried.

WHat am I doing wrong ?

thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wow - that's a wide open question. In what way does it sound like crap?

Does the patch sound good normally - and sounds bad when mixed in with the midi sequence? There's a bit of a fine art to sound selection - many sounds that sound great by themselves fall flat when mixed with other sounds. A great example is that killer fat analogy bass line that just shakes the house when playing it solo - and becomes a big muddy mess as soon as it's in the track... Wink

Sometimes a sound can stick out like a sore thumb if it's not in the same context as the track (for instance if your sound card is adding a bit of reverb and your outboard synth is dry dry dry... it's going to sound off...)

Or is the outboard synth lagging behind slightly from the sequence? Sometimes this can happen (although I doubt it).
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

jkn wrote:
Wow - that's a wide open question.

>>In what way does it sound like crap?
in the most recent case, the patch was too slow for the sequence.
I was playing a midi file of Jarre's Oxygene5, trying to replace the synth bass sound from the internal card with one from my Nord Modular G2.
I had about 5-8 pretty good sounding synth bass patches (good sounding- from the point where I press a key on a keyboard and listen to the patch without any other isntruments)

>>Does the patch sound good normally - and sounds bad when mixed in >>with the midi sequence?
yes, exactly.

>>context as the track (for instance if your sound card is adding a bit of >>reverb and your outboard synth is dry dry dry... it's going to sound off...)

I'v enever heard of a osund card that had reverb, most are cheesy sound blaster knoc-off's, but in my case, it wasn't a wet/dry reverb problem.


>>Or is the outboard synth lagging behind slightly from the sequence? >>Sometimes this can happen (although I doubt it).

This seems to be close to the problem, I think, for the current midi file (but I have tried this with many other files & patches )
For the synth bass part, when I use an outboard synth, the notes are barely audible, or as you say, lagging.
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