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bachus
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:07 am Post subject:
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Most of this is pulled from a nether world of posts and emails. I ask forgiveness of anyone who has read this:
I am posting a work in progress. At this point what's left is some tweaking.
Of the work as a whole someone (you know who you are Wink ) wrote: “The electronic orchestral sounds put me off a bit becasuse they have an inauthentic quality to them.”
I have listened to this piece after a period of separation and it seems to me that thinking of it as: “quasi orchestra”, which I did, is incorrect and it is more accurately “quasi pipe organ.” Oh my god! “Quasi Theatre Organ!” Uhhh… sans tremulant. And that makes sense given that nearly a quarter of my cd collection is organ music, but virtually all “serious”. And surely listening to contrapuntal organ music has influence on my musical thinking. But so has the music of movies good to trashy . Oh my god! Pull out all the Tibias Mr. Fox! The thing is, of “inauthentic quality” or not, this is what I do. I can’t honestly do anything else musically. But I fear that “organish” sound and the twisted mixed use of both classical and Hollywood clichés just reduce it to trashy or completely opaque.
The notion of organ came from an aesthetic choice I made regarding voices. Ignoring octave doublings, most voices in this piece are produced by layering three or four tracks, each from a different synth. In order to use multiple synths per voice I had to give up vibrato and pitch bend because I could not get all synths to pitch-track together. And I would do that again.
Sadly, that “inauthentic quality” was arrived at with extreme care and effort. So, if it cannot supply a meaningful aesthetic experience to some number of people then I think I’d rather be doing something else--there are so many interesting other things I could be doing and most of them are more fun. This stuff is excruciating difficult for me to do. So what I need to know is if there is any audience for this. Do people find it worth listening to?
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BTW its ~ 11 MB
bachus _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham Last edited by bachus on Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:51 am; edited 1 time in total |
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blue hell
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:19 am Post subject:
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The link asks me for a username and password, what am I supposed to type ? _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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elektro80
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:30 am Post subject:
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Check the link now. I edited it. Robert forgot some minor details. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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blue hell
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:48 am Post subject:
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Thanks Stein, I think Robert may have another minor thing to deal with ...
The short excerpt that is present now makes me want to hear the whole 13.something MB, but it got chopped off apparently. _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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bachus
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:06 am Post subject:
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Sorry. The origian file had a coupel of megs of dead space at the end. Will be fixed soon I hope. _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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bachus
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:23 am Post subject:
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Should be OK now
Again sorry. _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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DrJustice
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:33 am Post subject:
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It's certainly worth listening to bachus!
Unfortunately the file seems to be only 3MB with a length of 2min 38sec, then it is cut off - the linked track is now on elektro80's server space, perhaps an edit of the URL is in order?. Also there seem to be some noise that may be in the encoding; a kind of distortion which is timed in intensity with the beating.
I'd love to hear the whole track.
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elektro80
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:52 am Post subject:
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aha.. there is a space in the filename.. it needs a %20 in the url.
I can fix that right now..
uh.. and the file is 10.8 megs on disk on the server _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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elektro80
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:54 am Post subject:
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huh?! It seems Robert has fixed that already.. and now the file is loading.. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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bachus
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:04 am Post subject:
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OK it works for me now. But the dead space at the end is still there. My sincere appologies. _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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blue hell
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:35 am Post subject:
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bachus wrote: | Do people find it worth listening to? |
Yes definitely, listened a few times.
Sounds like a beautifull day, but we're going to have some serious thunderstorm, later.
I can imagine Wink's criticism, but I guess it should just be played louder so the background keeps informing you better of what is going on. (Anyway, my first listen was on too low a volume.) _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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bachus
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject:
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Blue Hell wrote: |
Sounds like a beautifull day, but we're going to have some serious thunderstorm, later. |
Thanks, and that's a fascinating interpretation. It does have a sort of abstract program. But I'd be really interested to hear as many responses as possible before discussing what I was thinking.
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Please understand that I believe there is not only no wrong answer, there is no correct answer. But I am very interested in what it takes to cue a listener to a particular interpretation. _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham Last edited by bachus on Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:53 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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DrJustice
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject:
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OK - got all 11min 48sec of it now
I find it a very a visual theme with dramatic dynamics, as you hint at. The sound isn't that organ like to my ears - If I have to comment on anything I think a wider sound palette might serve it well. Sorry, I'm not qualified to give a formal/theoretical assessment - but I enjoyed the composition and it does indeed give a meaningful aesthetic experience. Don't give up on it!
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bachus
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject:
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DrJustice wrote: | The sound isn't that organ like to my ears -
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I meant only that a "richness of" tone and the lack of expression in the pitch dimension was consistent with some styles* of organ building.
* Noting those styles, i.e. organs who pipes do not "nod to the wind" usually prvide a strong temulant. _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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Wan
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:45 am Post subject:
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bachus wrote: | Do people find it worth listening to? bachus |
Yes, definitly.
I've listened it several times now, and overall i think it's a great composition. I do agree with you that the absent of pitch expression gives it a certain quality, but that is not bad nor good, it just has it. The dynamic structure is outstanding. Certain sections are very pleasing to listen to, others are unnerving, but that can be your goals so ....
Just my 0.02 ct _________________ Grtz Wan |
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Johan Zwart
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:58 am Post subject:
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Wan wrote: | The dynamic structure is outstanding. Certain sections are very pleasing to listen to, others are unnerving, but that can be your goals so ....
Just my 0.02 ct |
Looking at the title I think it was. And yes I too find it a very good peace. |
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bachus
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:00 am Post subject:
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Wan and BlaNoMus thank you. Those are useful comments. And yes, unnerving was in my intent. _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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