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Any advantage to getting NM Keyboard over the Rack version?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:58 am    Post subject: Any advantage to getting NM Keyboard over the Rack version? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've been leary of asking this, but have not read anything in my searhes that addresses the benefits of getting the NM Keyboard unit over the NM Rack version. So if I may ask...

1: Does the Keyboard have more default memory (or expansion) than the Rack version?

2: Does the Keyboard model work the same as the Rack version, i.e. can it be played with another master keyboard.?

3: Can either be synced with my Host (Live 5) BPM time settings?

4: Other than the keys, what does the Keyboard version bring to the table that the Rack version doesn't?

Sorry for the NUBE questions, but I am wondering if the Keyboard is really worth the extra money spent over the Rack version.

Thanks in advance for fielding my questions.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:51 am    Post subject: Re: Any advantage to getting NM Keyboard over the Rack version? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

dlt123 wrote:
I've been leary of asking this, but have not read anything in my searhes that addresses the benefits of getting the NM Keyboard unit over the NM Rack version. So if I may ask...

yes, you may... Wink

dlt123 wrote:

1: Does the Keyboard have more default memory (or expansion) than the Rack version?

no, both have the same capabilities.

dlt123 wrote:

2: Does the Keyboard model work the same as the Rack version, i.e. can it be played with another master keyboard.?

yes

dlt123 wrote:

3: Can either be synced with my Host (Live 5) BPM time settings?

yes, you can.

dlt123 wrote:

4: Other than the keys, what does the Keyboard version bring to the table that the Rack version doesn't?

nothing

i like the small, minimal keyboard.
if you need/want a larger/better master keyboard, get the rack version.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Also note that the Rack has a led for incomming MIDI messages that the keyb lacks and that can be highly convenient.

On the other hand; the Keyb can send MIDI notes and so could work as a master keyboard in a pinch. That can be quite convenient since you can set the midi channel of the active slot to the jog dial and so you can very quickly scan all 16 channels.

Slaving a NM to Live is very easy and very pleasant indeed fo live loop manipulations; I recomend it.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen wrote:
Slaving a NM to Live is very easy and very pleasant indeed fo live loop manipulations; I recomend it.
I've tried slaving G2 rack to Live (version 4.1) and found it too unstable. Maybe the Midi clock send on version 5 is more stable. Having said this, I haven't tried syncing to Live since installing OS 1.4 into G2 - There is definitely an improvement in slaving to Cubase SX. I haven't spent nearly enough time with Ableton, but my impression is that it's great for audio looping, splicing, manipulation, but not as a Midi sequencer / master clock.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks guys, it doesn't look like there is very little difference between the two except for the keyboard and MIDI light. Although, it might be nice to have another keyboard around.

At present my master keyboard is a Kawai KS5000, a really nice keyboard.

What would be a good US Dollar price to pay for either of the NM units? Right now, it looks like I will have to pay around $550 USD for a Rack version and about $625 for a Keyboard. Does this seem about right or should I wait till the price comes down more?

Thanks again for fielding my questions.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Those prices seem accurate, and have been there for several years now. I don't know that it would drop any lower. However, it's very much worth it!

(unless you saved for a used G2 engine + a cheap midi controller, such as a behringer BCR2000 - extreme value in that as well)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

jksuperstar wrote:
Those prices seem accurate, and have been there for several years now. I don't know that it would drop any lower. However, it's very much worth it!


I've been putting together a spreadsheet of pricing of both and when I buy I'll pretty much have to pay what I've already found. I'll buy as soon as I sell a couple of things on eBay. I have a Echo Layla3G card and a Simac Ice cream maker auctions starting Wednesday. If my auctions sell, that will allow me the funds for a NM.

As for being worth the price, eveyone seems to feel this as well, so I am really anxious to get one. Laughing banana

jksuperstar wrote:


(... a cheap midi controller, such as a behringer BCR2000 - extreme value in that as well)


I have the BCF2000 controller and it works flawlessly in Live5. Definitely worth the cost... Very inexpensive.

Thanks for the input.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

dlt123 wrote:
$550 USD for a Rack version and about $625 for a Keyboard.


random interjection: i just saw a USED g1 rack going to $1399 at guitar center! i was wondering, has it already passed the "outdated" point and reached "vintage"?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

tlj wrote:
Kassen wrote:
Slaving a NM to Live is very easy and very pleasant indeed fo live loop manipulations; I recomend it.
I've tried slaving G2 rack to Live (version 4.1) and found it too unstable. Maybe the Midi clock send on version 5 is more stable. Having said this, I haven't tried syncing to Live since installing OS 1.4 into G2 - There is definitely an improvement in slaving to Cubase SX. I haven't spent nearly enough time with Ableton, but my impression is that it's great for audio looping, splicing, manipulation, but not as a Midi sequencer / master clock.


Nah, that should be tight.

Anyway, the point to me of syncing Live and the NM is the vertical Live schreen and cubase etc don't do stuff that way.

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