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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Fixed!
I tried with libusb version 1.2.6.0 and now it works!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for testing ZeeByeZon! Any idea wich libusb version didn't work for you? I could put that info in the readme file.

I fixed another little bug in the 0.21 version, the "keyboard" checkboxes in the performance settings didn't work.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The version which did not work for me is the last from the 'snapshot' section: 1.2.4.9
The 1.2.6.0 ('release' section) has no installer, but the installation is quite simple : just unzip the downloaded file and launch install-filter-win.exe, located in the bin\x86 folder.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Bruno!

allow me a question. do you think it would be possible to monitor the midi input of the G2 in the open editor? like in max/msp there's a small window that shows a list of the incoming messages in text?

lot of the times i have no midi/soundcard connected to the laptop, just use the engine, and it would be sooo handy to see it...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The G2 only sends knob assignable MidiCC messages down the USB line. No note events and no sysex evens. So with only the USB cable, I could only let you monitor these CC's...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks Bruno! that makes sense...

just thinking how useful it would be, for me.
but notes are also sent, as they show up in the sequencer?
that's probably not midi when they arrive in the screen...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

My guess is that only the parameter changes of the sequencer module are send. But I haven't tested recording notes in a sequencer yet, so I'll try that tonight.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

brunov wrote:
My guess is that only the parameter changes of the sequencer module are send. But I haven't tested recording notes in a sequencer yet, so I'll try that tonight.


thanks! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Drapdap, I'm afraid there are also no midi note events when recording notes in a sequencer module, I only get the parameter change messages.

Don't know it it's any use to you, but maybe I'll add another midi port in the editor to be able to emulate the front panel of the g2 keys with another midi controller (for engine owners), of course there'll be some more midi possibilities then.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

brunov wrote:
Drapdap, I'm afraid there are also no midi note events when recording notes in a sequencer module, I only get the parameter change messages.


but thanks for taking a look! somehow it's logical. Very Happy

brunov wrote:

Don't know it it's any use to you, but maybe I'll add another midi port in the editor to be able to emulate the front panel of the g2 keys with another midi controller (for engine owners), of course there'll be some more midi possibilities then.


a midi port thru the pc into the editor then midi down to the usb cable?
is that what your saying? Very Happy
that would be most excellent if works safely!

my problem, (except i can't use linux, but you solved that!) with
the editor, is how to organise things if i want to play, the screen gets busy,
and hard to see at first, if i recall something.

the on screen keyboard can only hold one note, but why not hold a few more? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Actually, that wasn't exactly what I meant. I don't think I really understand you question. Confused

I meant that I want to be able to fix a knob on my controller to a fixed knob on the parameter pages, just like on the front panel of a g2 keys (since I have a engine).

For example I want cc 53 of my controller to always be connected to knob 1 on the parameter pages, and cc 54 to knob 2 and so on.

So when I'm browsing through a lot of patches, I don't have to manually assign these cc's all the time to try out some of the modulation possibilities of a patch.

That's only to overcome some of the limitations of the engine...

One part of your question was about sending midi note events down the USB line. I've tried that, but there also the usb message implementation is very limited. It's only mono key and no velocity, basically it's

key number, on
key number, off

and you have to send a note off before you can send a next note, otherwise the former sticks Sad

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

On startup I get a windows socket error: cannot bind to more that one....

I am on windows XP and get the message for both version (.49 and .60) of lib-usb.

Any hints?>
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Could be that the default port (2501) for tcp-ip is already in use on your computer.

You could have a look at the G2_editor_ini.xml in notepad. I use that file to load the "Application settings" on startup.

So you could try to change the port to another setting. "Is server" should also be on, in the ini file that should have the value "-1".

Hope that helps...


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes it did , thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've worked some more on the editor and made a new beta release v0.22.

- support for multiple G2's

If you have more than one G2 and you install the lib-usb filter driver on each clavia usb driver, the G2's should all show up in the editor.

- you can adjust the color scheme for each G2 in the application settings dialog.

In the clavia editor I sometimes get confused which G2 I'm editing, so with the colors you instantly see on wich synth your working. And it's nice to be able to change the wallpaper now and then.

- started to fill some module display's with values in the appropriate units.

Done some for frequencies for oscillators and filters for example. I'm stuck at the moment on the filter resonance calculation.

- made the cable graphics a bit nicer

You can adjust the cable thickness now in the application settings.

- some small things in the user interface and some bugs solved

Regards
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

brunov wrote:
- you can adjust the color scheme for each G2 in the application settings dialog.


Good idea!

Didn't check in later versions, so this may have been fixed .. but in earlier versions I missed the "variation init" functionality as Clavia has it ... don't recall it exactly but think I could not copy to variation init ... work flow is supposed to be be like :

1) get variation 1 more or less like you want it to be

2) set variation init as a copy of variation 1

3) hit any other variation and hit Init button to set it like variation init

did not check on CTRL-E -- which is parameter paste, but that one and variation init are realy handy to set up and maintain variations in a patch.

Anyway, that just crossed my mind ;-)

keep up the good work, really nice to see where it is going!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Aha, no these things aren't in it yet. Thanks for explaining, I'll put them on my list for a next version.

Do you know by any chance how I should calculate the filter resonance display value? Maybe the unit is in decibel?

paramvalue display value
0 0,5
64 1,67
110 10
127 50

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

brunov wrote:
Do you know by any chance how I should calculate the filter resonance display value? Maybe the unit is in decibel?


Sorry, I don't know - I had always assumed a lookup table there, but yeah maybe there is a formula. It may even be different for different filter types?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

brunov wrote:
Do you know by any chance how I should calculate the filter resonance display value? Maybe the unit is in decibel?

paramvalue display value
0 0,5
64 1,67
110 10
127 50


It should be a ratio of bandwidth and the center frequency. Here is the wikipedia page on it, which is nicely done:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_factor

The Clavia filters are mostly constant-Q type, which means as you sweep the frequency, the Q stays the same. In essence the filter bandwidth changes as the frequency is moved around.

I wish I had some time right now to look at these for you. But I won't be able to for at least a week, probably two. I will take a look then if you still need a good answer!

Oh, but it is dimensionless...there is no decibels, time, or anything else, since it is a measure of frequency over frequency.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
It may even be different for different filter types?


Indeed, as I suspected, the Classic filter has a different curve.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

jksuperstar wrote:
I wish I had some time right now to look at these for you. But I won't be able to for at least a week, probably two. I will take a look then if you still need a good answer!


Thanx! there's no hurry Smile I probably dig up some more of these math problems as I go along...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nice work!

When I've finished off the work I'm doing at the minute, I'll have to give this a go!

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Dunno if it fits here: Nord Modular OS 1.40 & 1.60 binaries... Ripped em for reverse engineering.

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Do you think it's possible to reverse engineer something out of these binaries??? Confused I have my doubts...

I know of some tools, like IDA, but the best you'll get out of that is assembler like code.

Maybe it's more fun to try to design your own dsp algoritms and try them to sound like some of the g2 modules. Smile

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Estarriol wrote:
Dunno if it fits here: Nord Modular OS 1.40 & 1.60 binaries... Ripped em for reverse engineering.


Hmm, no, it does not fit here.

It is copyrighted material and you are not allowed to post it here. I know this information is easily obtained from the resources in the updater program, but people interested in reverse engineering will have to do such themselves.

Also it would not be appropriate to discuss the reverse engineering results on this forum.

I'll remove the attachment, I'm really sorry about that as I'm truly interested in what is in them, but it is not appropriate here.

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