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Broadwave
Joined: Feb 16, 2007 Posts: 347 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:42 am Post subject:
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Sunday 6th November 2016.
Ahhh, it's good to be back - Had a few health problems that have now been sorted (Long story, BP II diagnosis... something that I should have had sorted years ago - But at least I feel like I've got my old head back on).
So, to kick off - As they now do digital printing direct to aluminium, I've ordered a printed/cut panel from Front Panel Express for a new project. The panel cost £226, which is a good incentive to make sure I complete the new synth
I had a bunch of ARP VCOs, a Moog Filter and a couple of Roland ADSR PCBs hanging around so I'm putting them to use in a build that's reminiscent of the Odyssey, but with a 3rd VCO and patch points, the sloping panel is inspired by Korg's Minilogue. I've kept the ARPs PPC, as I get on well with it, but I'll be using small round FSR for pressure detecting - I've used them on past Oddy fixes as they have a really nice response.
There's not much else to say until the panel arrives and I can start with the Pot/Switch/Socket mounting PCBs.
I'll use this thread as a build log and supply as much info as I can, as I go along.
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blue hell
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:30 am Post subject:
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Welcome back.
Looks like that's going to be a nice synth :-) _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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ringroad
Joined: Feb 28, 2012 Posts: 38 Location: Coventry, UK
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:41 pm Post subject:
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Nice, looks really good.
I'm really interested to see how the panel turns out, haven't seen any decent examples of the FPE printing direct to aluminium. |
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Stream Operator
Joined: Oct 13, 2007 Posts: 6221 Location: near Austin, Tx, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:23 pm Post subject:
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We never met, so welcome back and it's nice to meet you! Do you have any interest in ChucK or 3D printing? The latter is my "current" passion!
Les _________________ "Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz |
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Broadwave
Joined: Feb 16, 2007 Posts: 347 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:50 am Post subject:
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Friday 11th November 2016.
Inventor wrote: | We never met, so welcome back and it's nice to meet you! Do you have any interest in ChucK or 3D printing? The latter is my "current" passion!
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Hi Les, 3D printing something I need to look into at some time, now that it's more affordable.
For some reason the panel design was rejected - my fault, something to do with the cutout DXF. Luckily, it's given me the chance to shift things around a bit.
I've decided to use a "Drop-In" CME Xkey 37 instead of tearing down a 4 oct keybed from a cheap MIDI controller. It'll make things much easier. I'm used to the Xkey as I have one for my iPad.
I'm hoping I can lower the profile, depending on the PSU I use - I'd like it to be as sleek looking as possible.
I'll need to find a simple 3D drawing app so I can get a better idea of the all round design. Flat is so 12th century
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Broadwave
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:40 am Post subject:
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Sunday 13th November 2016.
Most of the plug-in modules are drawn up and boards ready to etch. I've just got the keyboard side of things to do (MIDI to CV/Portamento/Aftertouch/Mod) The three main "carrier" PCBs also still need to be done, I've got quite a bit of thinking to do on these, as I've got to take into consideration the send/returns to the patch sockets - I may mount the sockets on a separate board and connect them to the CV switches via ribbon cables.
The mounting board for the VCF is capable of taking different designs - The ARP 4072 is in as standard, but If I want to plug in a Minimoog filter, I just lift up the front panel and plug it in (although I may change this later so VCFs can be plugged in directly to the rear panel)
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Broadwave
Joined: Feb 16, 2007 Posts: 347 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:18 am Post subject:
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Wednesday 16th November 2016.
Completed the costing, and all remaining components are ordered - Total build cost should come in at around £528, which includes photo PCB, developer, etchant, all the mounting hardware etc.
Still working on the remaining carrier boards
VCO carrier board
_________________ Kronos 2-88, Kronos 61, Studiologic Sledge V2/SL, Broadwave ARP 2600EX, Broadwave 18U ARP based Eurorack Modular, Broadwave Minimoog Clone, GEM S2 Turbo.
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Broadwave
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:03 am Post subject:
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Monday 21st November 2016
The panel has just arrived. It's ok - the digital print is a bit low rez, but good enough for a home brew Everything seems to line up, so I can start the PCBs now.
_________________ Kronos 2-88, Kronos 61, Studiologic Sledge V2/SL, Broadwave ARP 2600EX, Broadwave 18U ARP based Eurorack Modular, Broadwave Minimoog Clone, GEM S2 Turbo.
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Skrog Productions
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:33 am Post subject:
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Hi , that looks great ,nice build in progress , i get the same print effect on the vinyl stickers i get done for my blue modular , even under a meter away it looks fine .
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Broadwave
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:57 am Post subject:
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Sunday 27th November 2016
The module boards are done, drilled and plated - I'm waiting for a wooden box and fluorescent light fittings/UVA lamps to arrive before I can make the 3 large boards - My current UV box is too small
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Broadwave
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:48 am Post subject:
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Tuesday 29th November 2016
VCOs are stuffed and ready for testing. Fully discrete versions of the Odyssey MKIII VCO - No Op-Amps here thank you, easy to build, reliable and very stable
The CMOS 4011's clean up and boost the squarewave to 0-10v for the ARP Ring Mod (on the larger board), also based around a 4011.
Out of interest - The size of my complete Odyssey VCO compared to the 2600 4027-1 VCO Saw Core submodule
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Broadwave
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:10 am Post subject:
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Wednesday November 30th 2016
All the plug-in modules are built - testing begins tomorrow. Still waiting for a few UV tubes to arrive, so I can get on and build the bigger exposure box. Can't do much until then
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L´Andratté
Joined: Sep 23, 2012 Posts: 150 Location: Hamburg, Germany
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:46 am Post subject:
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I´ll keep my eyes on your approach to such a big project!
For the moment just WOW |
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Stream Operator
Joined: Oct 13, 2007 Posts: 6221 Location: near Austin, Tx, USA
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:57 am Post subject:
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Broadwave,
You are really organized! Such a large project would be a tossed around mess in my lab! Nice plan of action too - keep us posted!
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Broadwave
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:52 am Post subject:
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@Inventor - Thanks, I guess it helps to be slightly bonkers, but I'm not always that tidy - organized chaos usually rules
The 3 main carrier boards were way to big (200 x 220mm) to make using my current Lightbox. So, one of two solutions...
1 x "Decoupage" Box - £14.99
3 x 12" Fluorescent Light Fittings - £22.50
3 x UV "Flykiller" Tubes - £8.79
1 x Aluminum "Crinkle" Sheet - £8.99
Glass sheet & 2 bits of MDF - From the back of the shed
Build cost £55.45... or you could buy a "Professional" one with a similar surface area for £340
It works very well, but to be on the safe side, I'll add a 4th tube, as I had to rotate the board half way through exposure (the outside edges on the test PCB was under exposed)
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Skrog Productions
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:32 am Post subject:
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nice uv box , certianly making a saving building your own one , cool
Keep up this great build thread, it is inspiring me to build something again .
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Broadwave
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:06 am Post subject:
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Tuesday December 6th 2016
VCO board complete and tested - All working fine
LFO and VCF board tomorrow.
_________________ Kronos 2-88, Kronos 61, Studiologic Sledge V2/SL, Broadwave ARP 2600EX, Broadwave 18U ARP based Eurorack Modular, Broadwave Minimoog Clone, GEM S2 Turbo.
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:01 pm Post subject:
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Yay! Zero ohm resistors! (First saw those tracing back Lovetone boards.)
Very, very slick design work and execution. |
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Broadwave
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:33 am Post subject:
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PHOBoS wrote: | looks great!
one question: how did you do the tin plating ? |
"Immerse" Tin Plating
It's worth doing to help the solder flow and get a good joint
AlanP wrote: | Yay! Zero ohm resistors! (First saw those tracing back Lovetone boards.)
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So much easier than fiddling around with bits of wire. I may try double sided boards in the future... If I can pluck up the courage. _________________ Kronos 2-88, Kronos 61, Studiologic Sledge V2/SL, Broadwave ARP 2600EX, Broadwave 18U ARP based Eurorack Modular, Broadwave Minimoog Clone, GEM S2 Turbo.
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L´Andratté
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:39 am Post subject:
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What a great project!
Edit: Broadwave could you point me to a place to look for those pin headers and sockets you are using (or a search term), mouser gives me several thousend search results for pin header (as usual), don´t know where to look...
I´m using ribbon cable for those duties atm, but your way looks so much more neat! |
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Broadwave
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:31 pm Post subject:
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L´Andratté wrote: | What a great project!
Edit: Broadwave could you point me to a place to look for those pin headers and sockets you are using |
2.54mm Pin Headers
2.54mm Pin Sockets
These particular Pin Headers 20mm long, so they give plenty of space underneath if your PCBs are mounted "tracks up" like mine.
I buy them in 36 pin rows, and just snap them off for the length I need.
The sockets are available in many lengths, but again you can cut them down to size if you're careful
The remaining rows of pins you can see are for mounting stripboard to carry the CV/Audio signals from one main PCB to the other - It's a neat and simple solution I "borrowed" from the ARP Odyssey. I was originally going to use ribbon cable, which would have been easier, but I think it may have introduced too much cross-talk. _________________ Kronos 2-88, Kronos 61, Studiologic Sledge V2/SL, Broadwave ARP 2600EX, Broadwave 18U ARP based Eurorack Modular, Broadwave Minimoog Clone, GEM S2 Turbo.
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Broadwave
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:15 pm Post subject:
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Friday 8th December 2016 - Not a bad months work
LFO/Noise/S&H/VCF modules checked and working (ARP 4035/4075 are built - Minimoog and Roland M121 are on the way). They'll be accessible from the back panel for easy swap-out - the hideous wire links are only temporary.
I've still not decided on which drive circuit to use yet, but I may end up with the 2600 pre-amp as it's great for overdriving external signals too.
Everything else is now working and ready for the final push, all the carrier PCBs fit the panel perfectly, so I can breath a sigh of relief
I'm just waiting for quotes for the 2mm aluminum chassis, but I may still end up making it out of MDF.
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:06 pm Post subject:
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Wow Broadwave. This just gets more and more impresive. Makes my builds look like a kindergartner's finger painting's, and not the smart kindergartner, the one mixing his boogers with glue before he eats um. |
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Broadwave
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:00 am Post subject:
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Cfish wrote: | and not the smart kindergartner, the one mixing his boogers with glue before he eats um. |
It's difficult to explain how my head works sometimes... As I mentioned in the opening post, I've finally been diagnosed (and treated) for Bi-Polar II disorder.
Without bringing the mood of thread down, I'm relieved to say that depressive moments are now very few and far between, but I decided not to take medication for the Manic episodes, as it's these wonderful moments that enable me to do daft stuff like this build.
For some reason, during this time, things in my mind become absolutely crystal clear - I can read and understand a circuit diagram, I can draw up a PCB layout etc. but also become slightly more than obsessed with a project It's really weird, but I can only do these things when I'm "Up", so I always make the most of these episodes.
Personally, being BP isn't all bad - I guess I'm one of the lucky ones who can benefit from it. Anyway, I'm rambling, and I've got a PSU that needs to be built
Oh, yeah... I almost forgot. It's alive! Just a few silly mistakes to fix Noise level is way too high (there's quite a bit of bleed into the mixer - although it may also be just a noisy VCA), and the Noise/VCO 3 select switch is reversed in the LFO/S&H section.
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