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Replacing the G2?
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redmar



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:46 am    Post subject: Replacing the G2?
Subject description: need some advices...
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Maybe not exactly the place for this question, but since I'd like to hear from other G2 users, I figured to write here, so here's my problem..
I love everything of my G2 keyboard except for (most of the times) the sound: I find it cold, and weak expecially in the filters department. I'm not saying it's not good for a lot of patches, and one can use, being a modular, a lot of tricks to fatten up the sound; but I've always found this process somewhat tediuos, I'd like to spend more time in making music than making patches sound better (I know, this is a subjective matter). Also, I'm not saying I don't enjoy patching per se..it's fun, expecially in the G2 realm.
So I was thinking to replacing it with a G2 engine (I'm not a real keyboardist, and a generic midi keyboard would do fine) and getting another poly synth, which ideally should be as flexible as the G2 is, with better filters and a fatter sound. Very Happy
I know that this is impossible, but being me, what would you buy nowadays?
Could be digital or analog, and let's not put a limit to the price...
Thank you!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Go to the synth with the sound you love and be sure you can modulate a maximum of parameters with external gear > keep the G2 for this. In the same range of price. I love some synths from Dave Smith. Can you share some exemple from sound you like ?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thank you Electromagnetic Wave,
yeah, I will keep the G2 replacing it with the rack version (also for portability reasons) for modulations, FM, experiments and fun Very Happy
Recently I'm exploring the Korg ms20 (desktop version) and I have to say I love its sound. I think I will buy soon a MakeNoise 0-coast, it seems a great bang for the buck.
Probably I just want a fatter polysynth.
I've often been intrigued by dsi stuff (evolver, tetra, and now the ob-6) but I've never had the chance to try them, plus the poly are a bit pricey..have you got some? how do you like them?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I feel the same way. My solution is iPad. There are many apps that have very fat beautiful synth sounds. For example, Waldorf's Nave. There is a new fabulous app called LayR. Actually, too many to mention. Also, there are many wonderful processors to enhance the G2. The apps are not expensive and the iPad is portable.

Also, the multi-touch screen is a playable surface that enables some amazing new instruments, like TC-11, one of my faves.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi mosc, thanks for joining the conversation.
Yours is a very good suggestion, and since I do already have an iPad I should give it a try...for now I'm mostly using it as a controller, but I do think there are some brilliant apps out there. Didn't know about tc-11, it seems stellar!
What has stopped me from using it for audio stuff is the crappy (at least to my ears) quality of the phones audio output. I've tried an app to get ios audio over usb but I've found it unreliable most of the times. Probably a most solid solution would be buying a dedicated audio interface. What do you think about that?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Because Im working on computer all days I like hardware stuff when it's time to make sound. And I like knobs!

Korg ms20 and MakeNoise 0-coast look good solutions and can be integrated with the G2 very well I think. I love the poly evolver from DSI. Because of the possibility with analog/digital osc and the crazy matrix to mix with G2!

Im not up to date with ipad app but probably it's possible to send the audio over LAN ? What is the app you tried ? working with USB 2/3/C ? I read somewhere that some people got succes with a special app (i don't remeber the name now) and USB C. Tell me if you need. I can dig a bit.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

redmar wrote:
What do you think about that?


That's what I use. It's easy to hook up with the Camera Adapter. Get one with a big volume knob because the ipad's volume control is almost impossible to use for music purposes.

I don't know about iOS audio over USB. I'll look into that. It would be very useful.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Electromagnetic Wave wrote:
I love the poly evolver from DSI. Because of the possibility with analog/digital osc and the crazy matrix to mix with G2!


Yeah, seems lot of fun...although being monophonic its architecture should yeld a lot of different and interesting sounds.

Electromagnetic Wave wrote:
Im not up to date with ipad app but probably it's possible to send the audio over LAN ? What is the app you tried ? working with USB 2/3/C ? I read somewhere that some people got succes with a special app (i don't remeber the name now) and USB C. Tell me if you need. I can dig a bit.


I've never heard anything about audio over LAN. The app I have should work with just the 30 pin cable (I own an iPad3) plugged to the mac/pc, which sends midi and audio to your daw of choice. It works, but I don't feel it reliable enough, especially for live use. Sometimes the communication between the mac and the iPad gets lost. Another weird thing is that neither of my daws can load the app's AU plugin, which is a shame I think. I wrote to the developers but they weren't very helpful. Ok, it's just a 10 euros app, but still. At least nowadays one can request a refound if something like that happens. At that time this wasn't possible. (I don't feel like writing the name of the app because what I wrote is basically a bad review...which is fine, but maybe this isn't the right place. And there are probably enough details to figure out the name yourself).
Anyway, I appreciate your help, but I don't feel like to go to this route again.

mosc wrote:
I don't know about iOS audio over USB. I'll look into that. It would be very useful.

That would be very useful indeed, and much more practical than a dedicated audio interface...but at least for live use, one need to really trust theese apps. I know there are some I haven't tried, but at this point, a small dedicated audio interface would be better.

Well, thanks everybody for your inputs, this was helpful. And forgive me for my english.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I did a little research about these audio/midi over usb apps. They work by running a little VST on your conputer's DAW. If that's not too much of a limitation, they would be worth a try, I think.

The are MusioIO and Studiomux

I have used a program that allows MIDI over WIFI. It's called rtpMIDI. It runs on the PC and uses iOS WIFI/MIDI capability. I've had good luck with it, but since I use an interface with the iOS device, I don't need it or use it anymore.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hi, there is nothing that can replace a g2.. at least when the variaton Buttons have grew on you.

i run my nords thru vintage pres. that adds quiete some Beef and warmth.. however..it still Needs patching effort to make it sing and swing.. but less of that.

thats the Price for a storeable poly modular.

of cause real analog modulars are an Option. but a comparable System is quite an investion and fills half the wall.

greets
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

and...you can use the g2s midi out modules to pair it with analog gear of choice..a single analog Sub oscilator can do wonders on certain patches. even when you just add subtile amounts..

ok,thats also in the cosmetic patching department..
unavoidable..

too bad that clavia is not into a g3. i think they just was to much ahead of the time. would sell better now.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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