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Logic puzzle - 4017 sequencer length
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:52 am    Post subject: Logic puzzle - 4017 sequencer length Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Been pulling my hair out trying to solve this Mad

I've got two 4017's chained to create a 16 step sequencer as per the datasheet. Theres a 16 position rotary switch used to change the sequence length from 1-16 total steps.

Been trying to add a 3 position switch which will allow 3 states:
1. Default to 8 steps
2. Default to 16 steps
3. Sequence length set by rotary switch.

Using a double pole toggle switch (on - off - on).

It's working OK so far except there are two glitches:
1. When in '8 step' mode, if I switch to 'rotary' mode when the sequencer has already passed the step set by the rotary, then the sequencer carries on to 16 before switching to the custom sequence length set by the rotary. (i.e it misses its chance to reset and carries on until the default reset after step 16)

2. When in '16 step' mode, if I switch to '8 step' mode during steps 9-16 then the sequence instantly jumps to step 1 which must be triggered by pin 9 of 4017#1 being held high during steps 9-16. (In 8 step mode 4017#1 resets on pin 9)

What I'd ideally like is for glitch 1 - to reset after 8 steps first
And for glitch 2 - to finish the full 16 steps first

Hope any of this makes sense! Laughing Schematic attached.

Any suggestions whatsover are welcome


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Does it work correctly when using only the rotary switch to select sequence length? That is, do the 8 and 16 glitches stop in rotary switch mode?

If so, then why not eliminate the 8 and 16 switches and just use the rotary?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeh it works fine with the rotary on its own.

Maybe you're right perhaps I should just stick with what works
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ah fun another puzzle Very Happy

I will look into it but at first glance I noticed a couple of things:
- pin 1 of the 4069 should have a pulldown resistor
- pin 15 (reset) of 4017 #1 should have a pulldown resistor.
- pin 5 of the 4066 is always high.
- there are a couple of unnecessary diodes.

There also seems to be something wrong with the way the 2 4066 switches are connected to pin 13 (CLKEN) of 4017 #1

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I haven't really looked into how and why it works/doesn't work but I cleaned up the schematic a bit.
I am pretty sure U3b can and rather should be discarded. It can probably also be slightly simplified with a mux.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm impressed how tidy you made the schematic look Phobos! Shocked

Thankyou for doing that, and for the general sense-check.

I'll go and check my wiring then report back
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I think there might be one or more errors in the schematic you posted as I don't see how the 8/16 step modes could work.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I better go check Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

OK I think I might have it:

Pin 9 of 4017#1 sends a 1 into an AND gate. Pin 3 resets a latch (e.g on a 4027) and Pin 2 sets it again but via a 4066 (normally closed). When the latch is set HIGH it enters the AND gate to let pin 9 reset 4017#1

In rotary mode or 16 step mode, the 4066 is opened and the latch does not get set HIGH by pin 2.

This means that changing modes (e.g from 8 step to rotary steps, or from 16 steps to 8 steps) only happens after the sequencer has reset and has a chance to go past step 2 (pin 2 of 4017#1)

A sorry looking schematic is attached


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Finally solved this!
Phobos you were right - my first schematic wouldn't have worked. I'd drawn it wrong Confused

The reason it glitched when going from 8step to rotary modes was if the sequence was already past the rotary reset point, then the sequencer had no instruction to reset itself.

The reason the sequencer reset when changing from 16step to 8step mode was that the clock inhibit on 4017#1 was being sent low by changing to 8step mode. This started the clock again on 4017#1 which reset itself after pin 11 (after all 10 steps of the 4017 had finished) which reset the whole sequencer.

I fixed this using latches for both: set on step 1 and reset on step 2 but only when in certain modes. For this i just used a 4066 switch to either allow or prevent the latch from resetting itself.

This meant that changing modes only happens once the previous mode has run full cycle and can be set again on step 1.

Bit of a pointless post tbh Very Happy but I was really pleased!
I'll do a schematic later
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here's the schematic. Hope it makes sense. If anyone can spot any redundant parts please let me know.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I only glanced at it and did spot some things but instead of redrawing it I think I will make a thread with some guidelines
for designing digital circuits. Then you can first try to clean it up yourself which I think would be more helpful.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ok, I made a thread which might help you a bit.

http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-70288.html

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks Phobos. Good of you to put all that info together
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