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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 7:01 am    Post subject: which computer/software
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hI- I'm going to buy a new laptop but can anyone advice me something also for software and soundcard/interface?
I make electronic music but use and want to record some live instruments
aswell. Ediroll has the FA101, does anyone has experience with this?
Any info is welcome

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 7:03 am    Post subject: Re: which computer/software
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vitthal wrote:
.. and want to record some live instruments


Piano?
Organs?
Singers?
Drumsets?
Acoustic guitar?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:59 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

PC, MAC, or Linux? (or other?)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

well, i actually am still doubting about mac or windows, but laptop any way.
.. and want to record some live instruments...
Piano?
Organs?
Singers?
Drumsets?
Acoustic guitar?

all occasionally, but im lucky to pursue a semi lofi sound.

the problem is that i know what i want but don't really understand the language that explains the features of products.
And which capacitys are sufficient to work without needing to limit your songs.
I could also use some info about programs as i always worked with the same rather simple programs and want to change.
I need to be able to make long structured songs with lots of sounds, samples, and also to improvise over this with keybords (synths' or computer's) and or live pieces of sound.

thanks.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Lo Fi eh? Personally I'd get an old Mac laptop running OS 8 or 9 and an old copy of Logic Audio, and blow what you save on a massive hard drive (7200 rpm) and as much RAM as you can put in it.

The old G3's and the previous 3400's are bargains Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Lo Fi eh? Personally I'd get an old Mac laptop running OS 8 or 9 and an old copy of Logic Audio, and blow what you save on a massive hard drive (7200 rpm) and as much RAM as you can put in it.

The old G3's and the previous 3400's are bargains Smile


That's not a bad idea at all. But I have a G4/533 with 1024 ram. Works fine as well.

There have been made great records with G3's and additional DSP cards running all on OS8/9. Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

renevanderwouden wrote:

There have been made great records with G3's and additional DSP cards running all on OS8/9. Smile

many great albums were recerded with Atari computers too Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ABLETON LIVE 6

ANY MIDI CONTROLLER WITH AT LEAST 8 KNOBS/SLIDERS
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

just set up an old comp its not a laptop, but don't be afraid to save money and go old. Mine is a PC maybe 733mhz or a little more doesn't even have much ram. I got it for free at the local University. I downloaded that Kristal freeware and recorded a tune last night first in a long time. I reckon I'll post it soon, more of a sampler of all my DIY gear. But to make a long story short it ran fine, no glitching, skipping, buffing, glumping, I was stoked. I'd like to get something alittle powerfull and load up on ram. At least a 1.something. Hell you can get em for under a bill. No sense in spending a ton of money, people have been making good music on computers for over a decade.

Oh and anyone have good resources for finding older programs? I still have an old version of ACID and soundforge, but thats about it.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

vitthal wrote:
well, i actually am still doubting about mac or windows, but laptop any way.
.. and want to record some live instruments...
Piano?
Organs?
Singers?
Drumsets?
Acoustic guitar?

all occasionally, but im lucky to pursue a semi lofi sound.

the problem is that i know what i want but don't really understand the language that explains the features of products.
And which capacitys are sufficient to work without needing to limit your songs.
I could also use some info about programs as i always worked with the same rather simple programs and want to change.
I need to be able to make long structured songs with lots of sounds, samples, and also to improvise over this with keybords (synths' or computer's) and or live pieces of sound.

thanks.



A "conventional" DAW seems the way to go. That means Cubase, Logic Express, Logic Pro, Digital Performer and similar products. An older product like Cubase 5 VST 32 or Logic ( version 5 ) will do fine too, but then this also means you will have problems with drivers for new interfaces, fewer current plugins and stuff like that.

However, in order to manage professional sounding recordings of

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Piano?
Organs?
Singers?
Drumsets?
Acoustic guitar?


You will need a lot of external gear and it is not easy to learn to manage how the monitoring should be handled. This is less obvious and intuitive than what you may think. It also involves a lot of gear ( which should be of decent quality no matter what ). The lofi bit here is kinda irrelevant.

On the mac, Logic Express will do just fine This is a robust and capable DAW.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

seraph wrote:
renevanderwouden wrote:

There have been made great records with G3's and additional DSP cards running all on OS8/9. Smile

many great albums were recerded with Atari computers too Very Happy


Sure, but can anything touch tape in that department? (aside from sheet music, that is...)

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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ABLETON LIVE 6

ANY MIDI CONTROLLER WITH AT LEAST 8 KNOBS/SLIDERS


STOP SHOUTING!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: which computer/software
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vitthal wrote:
.. and want to record some live instruments


Piano?
Organs?
Singers?
Drumsets?
Acoustic guitar?


Surely that doesn't influence the type of computer to be used? If you realy need to record drumkits then a soundcard with 8 or more inputs would be good but....

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes. And then you would need preamps, mics, sorting out there monitoring for the talent as well as for the engineer, studio monitors, room treatment.. and the lot. The computer and DAW part of it is not too messy to sort out.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Sure, but let' s not go overboard there. Very nice recordings have been made in living rooms and the only realy way to learn recording is to do it a lot. It's a art and a sience for specialists; for sure but it's also a enjoyable hobby for enthoussiastic dabelers who may later become the experts (how else do experts get there?).

I'm a bit out of the loop with recording software but I'd recomend trying to get a soundcard with decent mike pre-amps and I myself am verry happy about my own EMU 1616m. Other cards are also very nice. Very cheap cards have very cheap construction which will break after a while.

I don't have any real recomendations on the Mac/Windows question because it seems very personal BothWindows and MacOS are terrible piles of bloat that cantheoretically behamered into shape. You'll probably have to pick one of them because Lnux on a laptop with a pro level soundcard will give loads of hard questions. G3 sounds very underpowered to me though and in general Mac's are comparatively expensive.

Pro level "daw's" are fortunately a easy question; they all pritty much do the same and if one will have a cool feature all the others will have copied it by next year. Ableton is still a bit different but it's basically joining that crew as well. So; I'd pick either the cheapest one or if money is no object the one that looks nicest. Alternatively you could pick the one your friends have for free tech support. Basically they are a lot like the soap you put in your laundry machine; they look impressive on TV but in the end you'll stick with the one that smells best or that's around because by now they all make your clothes very clean at low temperatures.

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