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Nord Wave vs. Nord Lead 2 (sound)
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radiospace



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:34 pm    Post subject: Nord Wave vs. Nord Lead 2 (sound) Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I had a chance to try out a Nord Wave a few weeks ago and was pretty impressed. Unsurprisingly I spent the majority of the time exploring the sample-based synthesis, and didn't poke around much with the more traditional virtual subtractive synthesis.

How does the Wave compare to the Lead 2x when using it, essentially, as a Nord Lead, with traditional analog waveforms, etc.? (I don't own a Nord Lead 2 but like the sound of it quite a bit). If you get a Nord Wave are you getting every bit of the goodness of the Lead 2 sound, or are you losing a bit of the mojo there?

(Obviously this is directed at those who've owned both keyboards or have spent considerable time with them in some manner).
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

welcome radiospace

You can't compare the Wave's 'normal' synth part with the NordLead 2X, e.g. the Wave has much more routing possibilities then the NL2X. The Wave is more like the NL3. The sound is much more defined as the NL2. Why don't you download the Manual from www.clavia.se?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wout,

I understand that the Wave has a lot more to offer according to its schematics than the Lead 2X. However, many people think, for example, that the Lead2 sounds better than the Lead3, despite its limitations. It is in those terms, of the pure sound quality, when reducing the possibilities to a very simple patch, say a Saw-wave bass part, that I ask for opinions. I've already downloaded and read part of the manual, but of course it can't answer a question about how the synth actually sounds. (Thanks for the link anyway).

What did you mean by "the sound is much more defined as the NL2"?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi,

I played the 2X for some years and changed it for the Wave.
The Wave has real nice instrument samples to play right from the start. The fun is you can finally mix these normal sounds with the synth waves which give you totally different soundscapes.
Sometimes you just want to play a organ or a piece of violin in a number without anything else, and when you want to make it experimental you just start turning the knobs.
I think the wave has more possibilities
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

radiospace wrote:
... What did you mean by "the sound is much more defined as the NL2"?
Maybe the word 'cleaner' is a better description? In a way I think you only can answer the question yourself by playing both synths in the shop or at a friends studio... There are users who say the NordLead(1) sounds much more raw then the NordLead2

So, why souldn't we build up a small library of a simple sound? And publish it on e-m.com?

What would be the best test?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ruud wrote:
... I think the wave has more possibilities
Hi Ruud,
The question is about the normal wave forms (like Saw) of the Wave. Are these about the same as on the NordLead2X or not? Just because it is a very subjective matter, words are not the right instruments to make the discussion, so I suggested sound samples.

Wout

I don't own a Wave nor a NL2X. I can do the NL1, NL2, NL3, NM Cl and NM G2.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here are some try-out files about the NL, NL2 and NL3

Just a single Saw wave (Mix to the left), a LPF and Amp, both with the same ADSR values.
I recorded a little bass line and a chord progression (well, progression Wink

First three bass lines...

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NordLead1_SawBass.mp3
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NL Saw Bass

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NL2 Saw Bass

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NordLead3_SawBass.mp3
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NL3 Saw Bass

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The Same using the Unison (Which makes it a little different...)

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NordLead2_SawBass_Unison.mp3
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NL2 Saw Bass Unison

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NordLead3_SawBass_Unison.mp3
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NL3 Saw Bass Unison

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The chords...

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NordLead1_SawChord.mp3
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NL Saw Chords

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NL3 Saw Chords

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

And the chords with Unison (special to the NL3)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wout,

Thanks for taking the time to produce all those files!

The one that is most interesting to me (because it is the most simple and straightforward) is the bass part, without unison. On the bass ones, though, it sounds to me like the filter is progressively closed down from the Lead to the Lead 2 to the Lead 3.

If you feel like it, how about posting another sample each of the 2 and the 3 bass part, but try to open the filter up more to get more sizzle like the Lead example.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

radiospace wrote:
... If you feel like it, how about posting another sample each of the 2 and the 3 bass part, but try to open the filter up more to get more sizzle like the Lead example.
After lunch... or maybe next week-end... Smile
I used the parameter value to set the LPF and ADSR's. In MHO it shows some differences in designs. So I will re-record the files and open the Filters by using my ears.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:43 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

why does the nl 1 and 3 sound dull compared to the nl2, in the last two examples. filter i gues.

great to hear the 3 nl synths next to eachother, the nl1 has the most raw edge i presume....
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

"words are not the right instruments to make the discussion"

Hi Wout,

I am not a techie but more a musician so I it's fore me more a feeling of describing a sound.

Sorry I use words for that Smile

The Wave has more to offer in the total music pallet in my opinion.
Afcourse it also depents on what style of music you like.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ruud wrote:
Sorry I use words for that Smile
But you can generate a part of the answer Smile Can you make a mp3 file of a Saw wave form? Somewhat like those I did today? Or something else, so I will make those other ones again... I don't have a Wave yet. (Just waiting until those boys will make a rack version! Thomas!!!!)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It sounded to me, like with all the NL 2 sounds you posted, the filter was drastically different.

They all sound good to me, but maybe adjust the filter on the nord 2 so they all sound pretty similar. It seemed like th filter let a lot of stuff go through, compared to the 1 and 3.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

wow I can't believe how flat the NL3 sounds compared to the NL1/2, amazing
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nightrider wrote:
wow I can't believe how flat the NL3 sounds compared to the NL1/2, amazing
Well, I don't know if it is fair to use the same values to the NL3. In the near future I will do the test again and try to get the sounds as close as possible.
At the moment a little to busy with the NL2...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:14 pm    Post subject: Hate to beat a dead horse Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Sorry to bring this thread back but geez Wout it seems as though you unlocked the secret behind the Nord Lead 2's sound!! Nords are like owning BMW's, they are all nice they just have different characteristics.

From these sound examples you can clearly hear that the Nord Lead 2 is a wonderful sounding instrument! I just bought one so I am really excited - I had to get a little of that "vintage" vibe

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wout,

What (Software/Hardware) are you using to record your samples to mp3?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Some terrible lousy crapy free software which I'm trying to forget...
Now I use Nero 9.

Why you're asking?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I just bought an Alesis USB Mixer and Cubase came bundled with it. But Cubase looks a tad complicated to setup.

Did you just record live AUDIO from you keyboard through your free crap software or were you using midi?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I believe it was a long time ago...
Listening to it it's surely no Midi.
(Hold is different every time)

Recorded in Sound Forge and converted in a 22.1 kHz format mp3.
Sorry for that...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ok thanks for that.

This Cubase is a right pain to setup !! Not liking it at all so far.

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