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norman phay

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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:08 am Post subject:
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| Boards arrived here today. Loads of thanks, Josh, I'm really looking forward to getting these built up. |
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The Alison Project

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toppobrillo

Joined: Dec 10, 2005 Posts: 766 Location: oakland, ca
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject:
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so i have quite a few PCBs leftover- if anybody wants any, PM me please, i am open to trades for parts or other PCBs even...
if you still haven't sent payment, but are planning to, email me at the yahoo email address please so i can still count your boards as sold-
thanks alot
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mono-poly

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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:16 am Post subject:
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| The arived here! |
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andrewF

Joined: Dec 29, 2006 Posts: 1176 Location: australia
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:57 am Post subject:
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and boards in the most remote city in the world!
Thanks Josh! |
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Budgrubber

Joined: Dec 27, 2006 Posts: 72 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:10 am Post subject:
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| I got mine! Still working on quad panel design. I have been thinking about trying to match the Buchla panel as much as possible. Is anyone else going down that road? |
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ericcoleridge

Joined: Jan 16, 2007 Posts: 889 Location: NYC
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 10:28 am Post subject:
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| Budgrubber wrote: | | I got mine! Still working on quad panel design. I have been thinking about trying to match the Buchla panel as much as possible. Is anyone else going down that road? |
Yep. That's what I'm doing. I'll have my Quad Function Gen, my Quad Dynamics manager, Control Processor, etc. Mostly designs I've found here, and used to reproduce Buchla stuff.
I'm using 4-unit height panels also, like the buchla. |
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Peake

Joined: Jun 29, 2007 Posts: 1113 Location: Loss Angeles
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 10:45 am Post subject:
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I'll also likely just mimic the Buchla aesthetic and do a separate CV management module.
And I had an idea- Couldn't these boards be set up to be switchable one-shot or cyclic Korg MS20-style LFOs with End Outs and Quadrature? You'd have to use a dual pot controlling contrary motion CV into the A and R control ins to cause it to sweep between down saw, triangle, and up saw. And a CV to do so as well. And global CV for rate...
Just add another CV summer, CV in, and a pot along with a comparator and pop, you get PWM as well.
I can't tell you the fun of dynamically modulating the saw/tri LFO in the Andromeda. It makes filters dance. Always wanted the Korg LFO to be CV'd! |
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/mr

Joined: Aug 05, 2007 Posts: 223 Location: Elektron City, Sweden
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject:
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| Peake wrote: | | And I had an idea- Couldn't these boards be set up to be switchable one-shot or cyclic Korg MS20-style LFOs with End Outs and Quadrature? You'd have to use a dual pot controlling contrary motion CV into the A and R control ins to cause it to sweep between down saw, triangle, and up saw. And a CV to do so as well. And global CV for rate... |
I'd expect it to be hard to get the frequency stay the same when changing the slopes in this module - this might be an issue or not. IIRC, the Korg pot (which keeps the frequency remarkably well) is part of the LFO core and not trivial to CV-ize.
| Peake wrote: | | I can't tell you the fun of dynamically modulating the saw/tri LFO in the Andromeda. It makes filters dance. Always wanted the Korg LFO to be CV'd! |
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blue hell
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Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 24509 Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject:
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| /mr wrote: | the Korg pot (which keeps the frequency remarkably well) is part of the LFO core and not trivial to CV-ize.
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Not trivializing, just wondering ... could a dual vactrol be used where the 2nd part linearizes the 1st part?
With some opamp trickery I mean. In a way similar to how expo converters can use a non ideal transistor compensated by another non ideal transistor and some opamp trickery.
Maybe a vactrol is less ideal than a transistor? Maybe the two halves of a dual are not very equal? _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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/mr

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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject:
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| Blue Hell wrote: | | Maybe a vactrol is less ideal than a transistor? Maybe the two halves of a dual are not very equal? |
There you have the two truths of today, I'm afraid.  |
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v-un-v
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject:
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| ericcoleridge wrote: | | Budgrubber wrote: | | I got mine! Still working on quad panel design. I have been thinking about trying to match the Buchla panel as much as possible. Is anyone else going down that road? |
Yep. That's what I'm doing. I'll have my Quad Function Gen, my Quad Dynamics manager, Control Processor, etc. Mostly designs I've found here, and used to reproduce Buchla stuff.
I'm using 4-unit height panels also, like the buchla. |
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blue hell
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject:
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| /mr wrote: | There you have the two truths of today, I'm afraid.  |
Ah well, it was a nice thought  _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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Peake

Joined: Jun 29, 2007 Posts: 1113 Location: Loss Angeles
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject:
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As was my "Korg LFO" thought. It occured to me afterward as well, that frequency would be tough to tame when shifting the times.
Oh well, we'll just have to restrict ourselves to enyoying one of the best envelopes ever (if not THE best envelope ever, aside from the Wiard). |
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toppobrillo

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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject:
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i don't believe it would be too difficult to set the FG up like this and maintain relatively constant frequency. an addition of 2 xtra op-amps per FG?
if you match the resistors at the CV inputs, the slopes should respond to CV very nearly symmetrically [three adverbs in a row?? i have had alot of coffee]. the greatest variation in tolerance in this area would of course be in the control pots..
so it would involve subtracting from one input while adding to another, and finding a balance in between. then, you can add an 'overall' input/control to get frequency control. it would work much better if the control inputs were already buffered with an opamp, but i still think it would work ok with minimal interaction between the 2 controls/sources, so long as the output impedance of your control sources were low enough, i.e. if these modifications were a permanent fixture of the module, as opposed to using outside sources with series resistors as large as 1K.
anyways just thinking. it would need to be tested.
i added an overall control to my new module [i may have said that already ] which by the way is 4U high as well!
i wonder who's gonna be the first to get one up and running???
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Peake

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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject:
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| Not me. Parts are in the mail. |
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Ilanode
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 5:54 am Post subject:
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Shopping for parts sometimes confuses me: Can MOS 4016 and MOS 4001 chips substitute for CD4016B and CD4001B? And what does mean "use buffered" - stuffing them on the board is not good enough? Sorry, for my newbie querries.
And, yes, the boards look great! |
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andrewF

Joined: Dec 29, 2006 Posts: 1176 Location: australia
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:28 am Post subject:
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Hi
Buffered is just a type of cmos chip.
You want to avoid the early A series, but they were phased out a long time ago.
The 'B' stands for buffered.
UB = unbuffered
UB were designed for use in analogue applications - less propagation delay. |
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Ilanode
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:56 am Post subject:
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| Thanks! Those MOS chips make me insecure each time I've to pick one. |
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neandrewthal

Joined: May 11, 2007 Posts: 672 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:47 am Post subject:
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Got my boards. Thanks a bunch! _________________ " I went through quite a few trannies til I found one I liked" - Wild Zebra |
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toppobrillo

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject:
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Got my boards. Thanks a bunch |
cool good to hear!
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norman phay

Joined: Jun 29, 2007 Posts: 176 Location: North-East England
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:04 am Post subject:
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| Budgrubber wrote: | | I got mine! Still working on quad panel design. I have been thinking about trying to match the Buchla panel as much as possible. Is anyone else going down that road? |
I'll most likely be making something that doesn't exactly mimic the buchla panel, but has the same general layout. Planning on building a frac module, probably 1 1/2 widths (similar size to Wiard JAG). It's probably going to be a few weeks, I have a CGS sequencer I need to finish up first. |
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Budgrubber

Joined: Dec 27, 2006 Posts: 72 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:08 am Post subject:
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| Norman Phay wrote: | | Budgrubber wrote: | | I got mine! Still working on quad panel design. I have been thinking about trying to match the Buchla panel as much as possible. Is anyone else going down that road? |
I'll most likely be making something that doesn't exactly mimic the buchla panel, but has the same general layout. Planning on building a frac module, probably 1 1/2 widths (similar size to Wiard JAG). It's probably going to be a few weeks, I have a CGS sequencer I need to finish up first. |
I have one of those in the works too. My Klee and 2 SN voices are currently on the bench though.
I have been considering building a completely different system for all of the "Buchla-esque" modules that have in the works: the CGS programmer, Woggle Bug, Mark Verbos' VCOs and LP Gates, instead of plugging them all into my already very Moog-ish system (mostly dotcom and MFOS). Having never used one though I'm not really sure which modules would be necessary. The terminology is so different. What would be the equivalent to a Buchla VCA? |
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ericcoleridge

Joined: Jan 16, 2007 Posts: 889 Location: NYC
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:30 am Post subject:
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| Budgrubber wrote: |
I have been considering building a completely different system for all of the "Buchla-esque" modules that have in the works: the CGS programmer, Woggle Bug, Mark Verbos' VCOs and LP Gates, |
have you already made the Verbos VCO?
I have been thinking about trying it, possibly with a CGS or Serge Waveshaper. This would get pretty close to the Buchla Complex Waveform Generator.
| Budgrubber wrote: | | Having never used one though I'm not really sure which modules would be necessary. The terminology is so different. What would be the equivalent to a Buchla VCA? |
I think that the only Buchla "VCA" is the Low Pass Gate.
Some other "buchla"-like designs I'm using are the Verbos Dual Band Pass, and the Fonik layouts for Low Pass Gate and Control Processor. The control processor is very cool and useful; I've build six that I'm going to incorporate into one module, together with two mixers.
These add up to a pretty good chunk of the Buchla 100-200 Series Modulars:
Complex waveform Gen (LFO+VCO+waveshapers)
Source of Uncertainty (Wogglebug)
Low Pass Gates
Dual Band Pass
Quad Function Gen
Control Processors |
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slo

Joined: Feb 18, 2007 Posts: 204 Location: Victoria, BC
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject:
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Got my board mate, disregard my PM.
Thanks!
George |
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