Does anyone have the MOTU Midi Timepiece II manual?

deknow · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:22 am Post subject:

...i have a mtp av (parallel port version), and for years i was really annoyed, as the only available drivers didn't work with xp (hard to install, and once installed, wouldn't let the laptop sleep, even if no device is connected).

on a recent tout through motu land (remember when they made word processors?), i found a new xp driver for this device! i can't tell you how much that changed my opinion of that company!

deknow

ggm1960 · Joined: Oct 05, 2007 Posts: 37 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

jtorres712966 · Joined: Feb 13, 2008 Posts: 1 Location: sherman oaks, ca

just purchased one for next to nothing.. don't require pc use.. just looking for that chapter 12, apparently.
anyone still have it?

pdman1 · Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:35 am Post subject:

blue hell · Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:37 am Post subject:

ggm1960 · Joined: Oct 05, 2007 Posts: 37 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

mnhttnproj · Joined: Mar 31, 2008 Posts: 1 Location: Indiana

If anyone wants to put this back up, you can drop it at: [url]drop.io/gswaudio[/url]

ggm1960 · Joined: Oct 05, 2007 Posts: 37 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

pmayor · Joined: Jun 03, 2008 Posts: 1 Location: los angeles

I have something even older than a Midi Time Piece II. A plain Midi Time Piece.

After spending the day trying to get it to work with a OSX laptop using a Fastlane midi interface (also MOTU) I'm coming to the conclusion it's not possible.

I continue to use my Midi Time Piece with an older mac, but does anyone know if it can be used with a newer Mac?

ggm1960 · Joined: Oct 05, 2007 Posts: 37 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

jroth · Joined: Jun 27, 2008 Posts: 1 Location: Seattle - Brookyln

Hey GGM - I just found this thread. I am in a similar situation with the MOTU Timepiece AV. I don't have a manual.

Could you make Chapter 12 available for download again? I'm trying to figure out the programming using the front panel, but it's pretty painful. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

rmanasa · Joined: Aug 04, 2008 Posts: 2 Location: US

Hi GGM -

I've just picked up a MOTU Midi Express XT Parallel port Mac/PC, and of course there isn't a manual. If I could impose upon you to post or email a copy, I'd be happy to convert your Word doc to a pdf for you (assuming MOTU doesn't object.) Thanks!

ggm1960 · Joined: Oct 05, 2007 Posts: 37 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

rmanasa · Joined: Aug 04, 2008 Posts: 2 Location: US

OK ggm. Thanks for the info. MIDI routing is all I'm looking for at this time, so I'm fine with it being a "thinly featured" product.

I had no idea it was so ... old though. Windows 95? That makes it what, at least 15 years old? Yikes! I did find a single page doc on the MOTU site about ensuring "functionality with my MOTU parallel MIDI interface under Windows 2000 or Windows XP", so it apparently made it across into the 21st century.

Again, assuming it will let me merge and mix my various computer, keyboard and module ins and outs, I'll call it $20 well spent, and get a first look at MOTU products. If it serves me well in this capacity, I'll see about upgrading to something with more bells and whistles a little further down the road.

Thanks again to you and all the other respondents. Nice to see an active board with knowledgeable and helpful members.

egodzillal · Joined: Oct 05, 2007 Posts: 10 Location: paris

PLEEEEEASE ! post it again ! i only have the chapter 12 !
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ggm1960 · Joined: Oct 05, 2007 Posts: 37 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

ggm1960 · Joined: Oct 05, 2007 Posts: 37 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

By request I scanned and posted chapter 2 from the MTP II manual. Chapter 2 addresses networking more than one MTP II.

It's available at the same download location.

The link is:

http://cid-6f2ce1aec0191d74.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/MOTU_MTPII

snail2008 · Joined: Dec 08, 2008 Posts: 1 Location: sherman oaks, ca

Thanks!

Haygog · Joined: Aug 05, 2009 Posts: 1 Location: Utah

I have a manual for the Timepiece in excellent condition. LEt me know if you still need it. Thanks.

ggm1960 · Joined: Oct 05, 2007 Posts: 37 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

I'd just as soon sell my whole Midi Timepiece II setup at this point.
After getting a MTP AV USB and switching to Digital Performer it's been a long time since I've used the MTP II.

It's crazy looking back at the time, effort and money I put into getting into the heart of the beast.

After putting together a system including a Mac G3 333mhz Powerbook Lombard laptop (running OS9.2), a Keyspan USB-serial interface with the clock signal (it took three tries to get the correct interface!), the ClockWorks software, and the manual of course; I finally was able to use the MTP II to it's fullest potential and believe me, it's a deep featured unit!

johnnychuk · Joined: Oct 10, 2009 Posts: 1 Location: San Francisco

I just bought one used, and I'm a bit at at a loss as to where to start, so I'm wondering if you could post the whole manual.... I know it's a pain in the butt, but my butt would appreciate it....

TheMysticBook · Joined: Oct 25, 2009 Posts: 3 Location: Sedona, Arizona

I have a chance to pick up an old (working) MOTU Timepiece II. I am syncing two PC's using Ableton Live 8 and it just does not like it when one is a master and one is a slave.

Will the MOTU T-2 work as a Master for both computers? Will it work stand-alone (not hooked to computer via serial or par)?

Currently my configuration is:

Computer 1: Korg PadKontrol via USB. MIDI in/out to Computer 2
UNO Midi interface in/out to Yamaha DD55 drums. Computer 1 carries most of the load of pre-recorded drums, bass and other instruments. Alesis Firewire MultiMix for congas, djembe, and other audio inputs to record and/or loop live using external footswitch on PadKontrol to trigger looper feature in Ableton Live

Computer 2: MiaMidi PCI sound card for Guitar input and out to main mixer. MIDI of Mia connects in/out to PadKontrol of computer 1 (MIDI connection between computers is separate than other componets)
M-Audio 2x2 connects Korg keyboard and Beringer FB-1010 to control Guitar Rig as plug in to process and loop live guitar. Oxygen 61 MIDI controller connects to computer 2 via USB and is processed piano and synth in Ableton Live.

Our performance (there are two of us) consists of some pre-recorded MIDI and audio and some live recorded/looped MIDI and keyboard. Instead of connecting the two comptuers via PadKontrol to Mia and using one as a master, can they be connected to the MOTU Timepiece II as both slaves and the TP-2 the master clock using only the front panel controls the the TP-2?

Thanks,
Rob

ggm1960 · Joined: Oct 05, 2007 Posts: 37 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

You're hookup sounds rather complex and somewhat piece meal, it's a bit difficult to visualize with the information provided.

It's important to note that the MTP II is designed solely around older serial port Macs running OS8-9. They don't like OSX Macs and they really hate PCs.
It's the reason they can be had for pennies on the dollar, they are essentially obsolete.

In the PC world they can be setup from the front panel to be used as a midi router/splitter/coupler. They do have some sync functions like SMTPE but that's typically used in video and I have no experience in that area.

When I began assembling a complex multi-unit MIDI/audio system for live performance control and backing tracks I moved away from the MTP II and, in fact, away from PCs.
These days I'm using Digital Performer 6.02 on a MacBook Pro with a Midi Timepiece AV USB, Hercules 16/12 firewire interface and a Glyph PortaGig firewire 800 drive. This setup runs all my synths and outboard gear as well as the lighting controller.

TheMysticBook · Joined: Oct 25, 2009 Posts: 3 Location: Sedona, Arizona

I agree, our set up is a bit complex to say the least. Perhaps if I explained the reason for it all, it might be easier to visualize.

As I said before, there are two of us performing. Each of us has our own "station". Angie (my partner) carries most of the load. We will have some basic drums and bass pre-recorded and she runs that off of
her station via Ableton Live 8. She makes her changes (verse, chorus, bridge, solos, ect...) using a Korg PadKontrol. She also does some keyboard work and we share the vocals. Sometimes, depending on the
song, we may pre-record some background instruments (strings, keyboards, ect...)

I probably do 70 percent of the lead vocals and use a DigiTech Vocalist Live 2 for harmony (it will determine harmony depending on the guitar chords played). Most songs start with a basic drum beat and/or bass and I will lay down a guitar look, percussion loop and/or keyboard loop, then play either live guitar or live keyboard for the rest of the song. Obviously, not all songs start and are played this way otherwise the "coolness" of what we are doing can get old after a while, so we try to mix it up.

I use two keyboards at my station as well as Ableton Live 8 also. I control Ableton with a Beringer FCB 1010 foot controller, but I can also make changes on Angie's computer with the FCB 1010 if she is doing lead vocal at the time so she's not standing at the mic with the PadKontrol in her hand. One of my Keyboards connects to my computer via MIDI cable, the other (Oxygen 61) connects via USB.

Angie uses an Alesis Firewire MultiMix mixer as her "sound card" and I use a PCI MiaMIDI for mine. Angie's computer connects to my comptuer using her MIDI in/out of the PadKontrol into the MIDI in/out of my MiaMIDI PCI soundcard. Nothing else is in this loop. My Korg keyboard connects to my comptuer with a 2x2 and my electronic drums (Yamaha DD55) connects to Angie's computer via a UNO 1x1.

My guitar runs through my Vocalizer, then through a small Beringer mixer, then into my computer via the MiaMidi. The percussion runs through a rack mounted Beringer mixer (mics on all) then mixed down and goes into Angie's computer via the Alesis, which sends her audio out to the main Beringer Mixer. My audio out goes directly into the main mixer so any guitar or keyboard looping is done on my computer. I won't go into the sub, cross over, amps, lighting and all that since it is not relevant.

So basically, we have it set up so that Angie's station is the master, mine is the slave and all the instruments (either drums, guitar or MIDI) process through her computer. We pretty much run independant of each other with the exception of the times I need to control her station with the food controller.

The only problem we are having is MIDI sync between the two computers. Since all the other crap is outside of the loop (except my foot controller, which, if need be, will no longer be in the loop) what I was hoping to do is just use the MOTU Timepiece II as a master clock to keep the two computers in sync as slaves.

I hope that gave a better visual to what we are doing. I realize it sounds extremly complex, but in really, it isn't as much as it sounds in text. Although I may have just made it sound worse Smile

So, can the MOTU, not hooked to the computer, but only sending a "Master Clock" via MIDI cables...and using the front panel controls, work to keep the computers in sync?

Thanks again,
Rob