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LektroiD

Joined: Aug 23, 2008 Posts: 1019 Location: Scottish Borders
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:31 pm Post subject:
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I'm looking to build some VCA's (possibly 4 at the moment). I'm just wondering what the options are? I'm on a tight budget, but at the same time I'm looking for the best quality, so I guess I'm looking to reach a happy balance somewhere between cost and quality. I thought I'd ask here first. |
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bubzy

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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:42 am Post subject:
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Ive just finished the thomas henry vca, you will need to buy the book "A synthesizer for the 21st century" from magic smoke which is the only downside to this if you are on a tight budget. however the book is awesome, and fonik has done a layout for the board too, if you etch your own.
the other problem with this circuit is that it uses a "rare"(ish) chip the SSM2164(quad vca chip), also available from magic smoke, and mammoth electronics sell a clone chip called the V2164D for a reasonable price.
the thomas henry vca (as expected) is very good and likely wont leave you wanting anything more. and its a really easy build.
hope this helps.
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mark_olson
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inlifeindeath

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brother303

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LektroiD

Joined: Aug 23, 2008 Posts: 1019 Location: Scottish Borders
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:40 pm Post subject:
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Are any better or worse than others in terms of audio quality? |
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Terrafractyl
Joined: Sep 21, 2010 Posts: 13 Location: Melbourne
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:47 pm Post subject:
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I've built the CGS and the MFOS and recently the TH 21st century (but I haven't actually plugged this one in yet). I don't know if its either my imagination or incorrect trimming, but the 2 CGS VCA's I built function perfectly but seem to somehow lose a little low end... I havnt experienced this before with other VCA's but yeah a big subby bass sound when put through those VCA's just seems to lose a certain something.
The MFO's Linear/Log VCA's are great but when running on 15v the difference in gain between the Linear and Log modes is fairly large, although this could maybe be fixed with some resistor changes...?
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wmonk
Joined: Sep 15, 2008 Posts: 528 Location: Enschede, the Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:40 pm Post subject:
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Due to the requirement of matched transistor pairs (and a triple) in the CGS VCA, I wouldn't call em easy to build. My favourite VCA right now is my Quad VCA / VC Mixer from Oakley Sounds. You can get PCBs on their website: http://www.oakleysound.com/vca-d.htm
Potentiometers can be pcb mount, and are on a good spacing for 5U modules. _________________ Weblog! |
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dingebre

Joined: Aug 10, 2008 Posts: 270 Location: Salt Lake City, UT USA
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Clack

Joined: Aug 08, 2005 Posts: 438 Location: Walthamstow - london
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:08 am Post subject:
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Iv'e been looking at this one
http://www.sdiy.org/philgallo/mgbvca.html
no PCB , but I really want to try something based on a SSM2164 or a THAT2162 problem is both are exponential response so you have to waste a VCA section if you want to make it linear.
There is also this, but it is quite simple so it suffers from some CV bleeding to the output, I have read
http://www.uni-bonn.de/~uzs159/vca3plus.png _________________ Clacktronics.co.uk Last edited by Clack on Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:18 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Clack

Joined: Aug 08, 2005 Posts: 438 Location: Walthamstow - london
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:14 am Post subject:
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LektroiD wrote: | Are any better or worse than others in terms of audio quality? |
I don't think you really have to worry when using most designs for synth purposes, we are using dual 12v / 15v supplies so there's lots of room for circuits to operate in and you don't need audiophile quality. I have had a few issues with noisy LM13700 but thats because I was running it of 0-9v. _________________ Clacktronics.co.uk |
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sduck

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Tim Servo

Joined: Jul 16, 2006 Posts: 924 Location: Silicon Valley
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:13 pm Post subject:
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Hey Clack,
Yes, the 2164 is an exponential response chip, but since it is a quad VCA chip, you can build two very high quality linear VCAs from a single 2164 (and a few op amps). Pretty good bang for the buck, I'd say.
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prgdeltablues
Joined: Sep 25, 2006 Posts: 222 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:09 am Post subject:
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Or you could try this one from Nicolas3141:
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-41277.html
I've just built a quad version of the VCA section - really useful and a simple build. As far as I can tell, no CV bleedthrough.
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prgdeltablues
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:17 am Post subject:
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Forgot to add, i used LM13700 instead of LM13600, and used the standard configuration from the datasheet for the input biasing and linearising diodes. You can sub any PNP for the BC559 - I tried 2N3906 and BC557/8 and they all worked fine. Not as flexible as the MFOS VCA - no Log/Lin switch, and no CV offset, but a very useful addition.
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Mooger5
Joined: May 02, 2007 Posts: 199 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:14 am Post subject:
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There´s a VCA shootout here http://hem.bredband.net/bersyn/VCA/vca_shootout.htm with schematics.
There´s also the CA3280 which someone says it´s the best OTA chip ever.
The old Korg VCA I think has the fewest parts but I don´t find it very dynamic. |
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LektroiD

Joined: Aug 23, 2008 Posts: 1019 Location: Scottish Borders
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:59 am Post subject:
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prgdeltablues wrote: | Or you could try this one from Nicolas3141:
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-41277.html
I've just built a quad version of the VCA section - really useful and a simple build. As far as I can tell, no CV bleedthrough.
Peter |
I think I'll have a go at this one, I like stripboard projects  |
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