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bolizar



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: hartmann neuron Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread
hey all

im sure you all remember this stunning (but buggy Smile ) piece of gear...all in all its revolutionary concept and also the price tag led to its downfall, but still, it left me craving for more

im sort of brainstorming now, how could this be replicated to a point on the G2.Of course a full on replica is out of the question since we cant import wavs, but at least the structure could be remade to a certain level...or am I wrong ?
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Tim Kleinert



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:56 pm    Post subject: Re: hartmann neuron Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread
bolizar wrote:

im sort of brainstorming now, how could this be replicated to a point on the G2.Of course a full on replica is out of the question since we cant import wavs, but at least the structure could be remade to a certain level...or am I wrong ?

I hate to say that something is impossible on the G2 (Wink), but this time I have to say so. The Neuron is based on a frequency-domain approach to audio. Frequency-domain analysis (eg. FFT) and processing is beyond the scope of the G2 as this would require not only a totally different set of modules, but also a fundamentally different architectural concept to handle the resulting data.
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bolizar



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread
ahwell, I guess we cant have it all, eh tim Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread
of course it can.

using voltage sequencers and cuelist sequencer controlling them means infinite voltage level possibilities Smile

yeah, this is the land I live in, sequencer land... I have my own little control systems going, and as of recently I don't use anything but my g2 for sequencing and a blofeld and x0xb0x to boot. Nothing else.

Having lots of fun.
/Dasz
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread
dasz wrote:
of course it can.


The G2 can do frequency-domain processing? Shocked Please enlighten me. Very Happy


dasz wrote:
using voltage sequencers and cuelist sequencer controlling them means infinite voltage level possibilities Smile


Level possibilities -yes definetely. Dynamic data storage -no sir. At least not with standard G2 modules. I developed a dynamic RAM array building block (based on clocked delays and multiplexing), which could be expanded to 512, 1024 or even more words. This could handle eg. dynamic FFT analysis data. But how to do this analysis in the first case, and then how to further process the results, requires just a fundamentaly different modular architecture.

And even if this would possible, the additional neuronal concept of the Neuron still isn't replicable by any means -for the simple fact that nobody in the world except it's developer truly understands how it works. I consider Stephan Bernsee the most innovative and advanced DSP developer on the planet. A genius. He's years ahead of anybody.

I herewith make a bet: I have a defective expansion board here which seems to be unrepairable. Forget about the neuronal stuff. But if anybody can just patch me real frequency-domain analysis and processing on the G2, I will grind this board into fine dust and EAT Shocked it! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread
Embarassed I thought you were talking about the notron ... I always associate everything with sequencers ... note to self -- read thread before posting, and don't post while running/tweaking my sequencers Embarassed
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread
Sequencer blindness can be dangerous, always wear dark glasses when twidling Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread
sequencer blindness: the inability or lack of desire to notice, focus, or hear anything or anyone beyond the musical results of the the melodic phrases played with blinky lights, buttons and knobs which require to be massaged intently in order to hypnotize.

Poking the indivual enflicted with this ailment may temproarily restore a response, but if that does not work, the only dependable option is turning off the power supplying the sequencers

My girlfriend can concur as to the ailment. She does like the results during sequencer blindness (tm)

Just uploaded my own samples into my blofeld. evil laugh ensues ...
/Dasz
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