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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:20 am    Post subject: Vco problem Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hello. I am a beginner in this field, so please bear in mind Smile In general, everything seems to be OK, except that the oscillator all the time makes the last sound even when the CV drops to 0. After removing and restoring voltage, it still "remembers" the sound. At CV = 0, he should rather be silent. I replaced all the chips, but the problem persists.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi and welcome to our little mad world Very Happy


if you scroll down the vco page:
http://yusynth.net/Modular/EN/VCO/index.html

you will find:

TUNING

Disconnect the CV source from the V/OCT input.
Turn the FREQUENCY potentiometer to 0 (fully counter-clockwise position)
Turn the FINE TUNE potentiometer to 0 (mid-range position)
Adjust T1 in order to read a frequency of 16.2 Hz
Plug a CV/GATE keyboard (starting at C, and giving 0V for lower C)
Press A3 key, and check that the pitch is A3 / 220Hz. If not adjust T1.

that means if you dont apply any CV to the VCO, it will still swing on 16,2Hz (if you did tthe tuning rigth) (with T1 u set the minimum frequenzy)
--> its not a bug its a feature Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have already understood this topic. Unfortunately, I have a problem already on 1 octave, with each subsequent one is even worse. I replaced Lm394 with AS394, OPA 2134 with TL072 and no changes. What elements have a major impact on tracking accuracy? I would check them first.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Did you use a 1K tempco for R12?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

the tempco should only have an influence on temperature related drift not on the tracking itself.

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I have a problem already on 1 octave, with each subsequent one is even worse

Well that makes sense as the error will build up. It could be that because of tolerances in components you can't calibrate
it to the correct range although that seems a bit unlikely with a Yusynth design. Calibrating it is a bit tricky as you have
to go back and forward between settings as described here:
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V/OCT TRACKING

1. Connect the calibrated voltage source to one of the 1V/octave input. Set the CV to 0V. Connect the tuner / freq.counter to the SINEWAVE output. Adjust the FREQUENCY potentiometer such that the tuner displays A1 (55 Hz)
2. Set the CV to 1V, check the pitch/freq, ideally we want it to be A2 or 110Hz. If the pitch is what we expected go to point 4. Otherwise, if the pitch is lower than expected : adjust the T2 trimmer (V/OCT) in order to lower the pitch/frequency (NOTE this may not seem logical to lower the pitch when it's already too low but that's the way it works !). Conversely if the pitch was higher than expected, adjust the T2 trimmer in order to increase the picth/frequency.
3. Set the CV to 0V, the picth is either lower or higher than A1/55Hz . Adjust the FREQUENCY potentiometer such that the tuner displays A1/55 Hz. Repeat points 2 and 3 until there is a perfect one octave shift when switching the CV from 0V to 1V.
4. Repeat the same procedures but with the following CVs 0V and 2V in order to read A1/55Hz for 0V and A3/220Hz for 2V
5. Apply the same procedure as above for the next voltages/octaves up to A6(1760Hz)/A7(3520Hz). Depending on your component tolerance you may expect also to achieve a good tracking up to A8 (7040Hz).


and yes, most VCO's will always oscillate even with a 0V CV.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I changed the R50 to 90k for a 5v pull-up, but it only leveled the top of the sine wave. All components have 1% tolerance which eliminates their error almost to zero. I have finished the second oscillator which I assembled, measuring each resistor for certainty, I used the same parts. Rather, I was sure that I did not make a mistake while mounting the first oscillator so I kept looking ......
And the reason was incorrect calibration.
The calibration method described on the website is accurate but at first it made no sense to me. And here I made a mistake. After following the instructions carefully, I was able to get 4 octaves and an acceptable 5. As a start I am happy but I was counting on more for using quite good quality parts.

Initially, I calibrated the VCO using Arturia KeyStep which turned out to be a tragedy because it requires calibration itself. As it turned out, voltage levels are tragic.

Thank you for your help, I will probably have many, not always wise questions. Very Happy Until now, I was dealing only with digital electronics and automation with an emphasis on programming microcontrollers and PLC, so everything analog is a discovery that requires learning for me. Cool
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