Electro-Music Klee Sequencer BOM and Poll

numbernone · Joined: Aug 16, 2006 Posts: 477 Location: new york city

I would also be interested in a board parts only kit, if the price is within reason, which I imagine it will be, as it doesnt seem anyone is trying to reap too many riches with their offerings.

It would be lovely to receive a package with all the necessary bits in one place.

State Machine · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:52 am Post subject:

kryptic · Joined: Feb 16, 2007 Posts: 40 Location: somewhere

I would be interested in parts kits. I'm one of those people who has to track down all of the parts when I order PCBs before I can build them so a kit would definitely help me get it done quickly instead of putting it off until I get all the parts together.

creekree · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject:

i'd like, no, i want a kit for one reason only:

i have all the necessary parts in my workshop - which is on the other side of the globe.
they are safely tucked away, waiting for my return to germany. (by that time they will all have become totally obsolete and make me a rich man because you guys will go crazy to get your hands on the last known 3080 in existence hehehe)

apart from that i like to open a box and know that all the parts are in it.
btw, does anyone know a CANADIAN electronics mailorder?

The Alison Project · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject:

Fernando · Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:00 am Post subject:

I'd be interested in IC-only kit.

As a second option, in a board components kit.

Fernando

Scott Stites · Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:34 am Post subject:

Bweeep, bweeep! Hold the phone on the BOM. The one thing I didn't check against the ref des numbers were the trimpots - and, guess what? Embarassed

There are only 4 1K trimpots, not '6' (my brain had the total count of trimpots in that section as 6, and it translated to my hand). I'll post the correction up here shortly. Again, please regard this as preliminary - State Machine has proven to be a valuable second set of eyes here. Once again, please let me hammer out anything else like this before trusting it as the final thing. We'll definitely know when those protoboards hit town.

More in a bit.

Cheers,
Scott

Edit: 4 1K trimpots

Scott Stites · Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject:

Here the updated BOM. Please use it for reference - I'm pretty sure everything is corrected, but I'll feel better once it's applied to a prototype build. Bill's been doing a lot of work researching parts and part numbers, so eventually you'll be presented with a decent BOM that will contain that information.

I've corrected the number of 1K trimpots and added the terminal pins that would have to go into the terminal housings (what I call "plugs").

I never mentioned it before, but I'm really glad to have Bill (State Machine) helping out with this project and looking into getting a parts kit together for the boards. Bill's managed to sell 250 SN-Boards through this forum, and his experience is really helping out here. Thanks, Bill!

BTW, if any of you have purchased SN-Voice Boards from Bill, you'll be happy to know the electro-music Klee Sequencer boards are coming from the same supplier.

Cheers,
Scott

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Scott Stites · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject:

Things are shifting slightly in the BOM - nothing is changing in the function set of the electro-music Klee Sequencer - with Bill's expertise and viewpoint, I've found a place to reduce the cost of the BOM a tad in the max level circuit. If you've already purchased parts, don't worry - they can still be used - this change helps to reduce the cost of the parts kit to below arm-and-leg. Instead of four 10K and four 1K trimmers, that section will use eight 10K trimmers - that allows a bulk buy at reduced cost for the trimmers (which ain't cheap, being multi-turns). Four 10K resistors will be replaced by four 150K resistors. It makes a *big* difference cost-wise, but doesn't change the operation or stability one bit. Andy's been tweaking the board design to help out, too.

Bill is producing a detailed BOM - when the protos have been built, it'll be set in stone.

Cheers,
Scott

norman phay · Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:58 am Post subject:

Definitely interested in a parts kit, thanks!

Coriolis · Joined: Apr 11, 2005 Posts: 616 Location: Stilling, Denmark

I'd like a kit as well, unless it goes through the roof price-wise, but since the board-price is very reasonable, I figure this will be too.
Of course, knowing that I'd be supporting this forum through a purchase (if Mosc accepts this parts-kit in the store) would certainly be even more of an incentive to pay a bit extra for not piling the parts together myself.

Also a good way to ensure I get the right form factor with something like trimmers (very important with premade boards).

And mainly, it allows me to get the maximum amount of diy done, in the minimum amount of time!

C

Scott Stites · Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:58 am Post subject:

Thanks, Coriolis!

I'm glad to have the opportunity to help support EM and also to finally get to hear what other's do with their Klee Sequencer's. During the course of the massive Klee thread, I avoided using any effects that would obfuscate what the Klee was doing. Lately I've been running it through a digital delay, and holy cow does that really come alive. I keep running out of room on my D8, because (as I've said a zillion times) it just makes you want to record nearly everything it spits out once you get it set up.

From a suggestion from Bill, the boards have been modified to allow trimmers other than those with an in-line footprint - now it'll accept either the standard "Y" shaped footprint or the in-line footprint (thanks, Andy!). When the protos arrive, we should get a pretty good grip on what will fit nicely and what won't, as far as the caps, etc. go.

Take care,
Scott

Pehr · Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject:

a.b.o.z. · Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject:

back from holiday Sad

i want more and more.
got most of parts somewhere around. something coming in every day now..
can't wait KLEE.

endif · Joined: Jul 14, 2006 Posts: 138 Location: Reno, NV

I'm a total noob at this, so every bit helps me claw my way up the learning curve; not having to wrestle with which of the many available versions of this part to choose or whatever helps a ton.

So a big ole YES. =]

State Machine · Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject:

As some may know, I will be offering Full Klee parts kits for the electro-music Klee project. Right now the first production circuit boards are being constructed and tested, when that phase of the project is done and the Klee team is satisfied with the results, I will be offering a 4 to 6 week time frame by which people will be pre-order full part kits for the analog and digital boards though sMs Electronics. The kits will NOT include the panel controls, displays, and jacks. For every kit sold, a $10.00 donation will be sent to Electro Music headquarters, Howard Very Happy

The kits will run in the $90.00 price range with not much variation from that. To show you the amount of parts this kit really includes, I have attached a photo for all the parts that go on these two circuit boards. The big money is in the 0.1% precision resistors, multi turn trimmers, and the connectors/housings and terminals. What you see here is representative of what you will be getting when you purchase the Klee kit from sMs.

Also, I have attached the latest bill of materials for both boards. This will most likely NOT change and if so, a new BOM will be posted.

If you choose not to buy a kit from sMs, the bill of materials also include the part numbers from the current Digikey catalog. This makes it convenient to purchase all the parts from one source. Digikey is famous all over the world among DIY electronics enthusiasts and businesses and is reason why I chose them.

Thanks !
Bill

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creekree · Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject:

yay!! when, dare i ask you, WHEN????

Scott Stites · Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject:

Amazing, Bill!! Excellent job, indeed. I've never seen the parts all by their lonesome without being nestled up to two large and one small breadboards.

The Analog protoboards are in, creekree, and I expect the Digital protoboards to be in either tomorrow or Tuesday (I got word from Express PCB they were shipped out).

There are going to be four sets of eyes ringing out these boards and making sure everything does what it's supposed to do - that means there are going to be four prototype Klees built by what we hope to be the first of September. Once we're satisfied all four of them work as expected, we'll order the production boards and notify all who've reserved them.

There'll be two proto-Klee's in the US, one in the UK, and one somewhere below the equator (to ensure the Klee can withstand the coriolis effect). If any of the intrepid proto-Klee-ers want to post pics, sound files, etc, that would be great!

Cheers,
Scott

State Machine · Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject:

OK, just so you know we mean business here Very Happy

Here is a box in my studio just for Klee ... I have massed together a bunch of parts already for the kits !!

Later gang !
Bill

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State Machine · Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject:

State Machine · Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject:

v-un-v · Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:30 am Post subject:

v-un-v · Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:31 am Post subject:

v-un-v · Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:47 am Post subject: And this is how it all started

And this is how it all started. I never expected Andy to take me seriously!! Shocked

From: v-un-v
To: Uncle Krunkus
Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:14 pm
Subject: Klee PCB idea
Andrew

concerning a PCB design for the Klee, wouldn't it be easy enough to do a 'rough port' to schematic designer (or whatever) by simply copying the veroboard design straight over- lines and all?

I'd offer to have a go, if I wasn't so swamped by university coursework Sad

just a thought. Very Happy

Hows tricks apart from that? I haven't been around in a while.

Tom

Then, Uncle Krunkus replied:

I'll tell you what, I'll start transferring Stripboard 1 of the Klee, and see how quickly I can pick up the basics, (in my spare time). You start on Stripboard 2, and when I've finished 1 you can send your start over to me and begin number 3.
Of course if we keep it quiet, it could be the most spectacular unveiling in EM DIY history! Very Happy

PS "This is another fine mess you've gotten me into!" Rolling Eyes

I then had a major heart attack ( Shocked

) but fortunately Andy realised that he had a bit of a talent for PCB design after all (hardly surprising, as Andy's stripboard work is awe inspiring!) and continued to do all the work himself. After that of course, the rest is history! Very Happy