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Rykhaard



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:09 am    Post subject:  CMOS chip PCB template
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I don't know if this PCB would be of use to anyone else. I thought of it last night whilst trying to get to sleep, thinking that it might be a handier way for making a PCB for single CMOS chip PCBs.

I've included in it, descriptions of the Input and Output pads for the 100k and 1k resistors as well as the input protection diodes.

The 100k resistor depending on the pin function, can be jumpered to either the +V or Ground trace as required.

The PCB that I posted is in my "poor man's surface mount" format. Each of the pads may be drilled as required.

If anyone wants the original Express PCB file, just let me know through a PM and I can email it to you. Smile

I'm going to try this template out for myself. If it works as well as I expect it should, then I'll continue to use it, for each single CMOS IC module.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nice job, Rych!
That will be very nice!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

groovy stuff, i just have no clue how to make pcbs.
I started my protolunetta last night and was going to do all my circuits on cardboard. Just sticking the leads through folding them and then soldering, but then i ran into a problem of the chip leads not being long enough to poke through the cardboard. I could switch to a thinner hardy piece of paper like a cereal box, but i think i'mma stickin with protoboard.

So i guess, do you have a simple way, for some one who has no chemicals, to fry up a simple pcb?
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Rykhaard



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks muchlee Bruce! Shall see how it works within the next couple of days. The first chip that I'll try it for, is the 4094 - 8 bit shift register. I'll go with the Eagle schematic that you sent me in e-mail. (Thankee for the collection of them! I'll definitely be adding back TO it! Smile )

Stolen ...... cardboard? Noooooooooooooooo! Shocked A lot of paper can CAUSE static. A lot of today's CMOS chips have built in protection, but still - don't introduce any possibilities with the cardboard idea. Surprised

Chemicals can be a risky thing - the Ferric Chloride that I use, I got a spot of it on a finger the other day that I didn't clean off right away. It started to sting, within 5 minutes max. I rubbed it off immediately. There're 5 acids in that chemical, for eating through copper. It eats through flesh as well.

BUT ...... if you're very careful with it in a plastic or glass tub, you can make your own PCBs, with a Sanford permanent black marker. Smile Or, with a little bit of practice, with Press N Peel.

I haven't ever offered any of mine to others, as I do all of my PCBs for soldering the parts directly on TO the pads, with no drilling at all. I don't know of a single other person that does it that way. Sad

Possibly then the best / easiest solution, is to go back to the perfboard type that you were using.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Rykhaard wrote:
BUT ...... if you're very careful with it in a plastic or glass tub, you can make your own PCBs, with a Sanford permanent black marker. Smile


so, transfer the layout to the board using carbon paper then trace with a marker? will a sharpie work?

i've been wanting to etch my own boards, bought all the stuff just haven't gotten to trying it.

-josh-
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

A Sharpie is perfect. Get the lines good and dark...

good luck

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

theMinister wrote:
Rykhaard wrote:
BUT ...... if you're very careful with it in a plastic or glass tub, you can make your own PCBs, with a Sanford permanent black marker. Smile


so, transfer the layout to the board using carbon paper then trace with a marker? will a sharpie work?

i've been wanting to etch my own boards, bought all the stuff just haven't gotten to trying it.

-josh-


Now, that's a thought actually! I wonder if the carbon would stick to the copper? If it does, that would be an easy to go, if you don't have a laser printer to use Press N Peel with!

With the Sanford permanent markers ($1 at the Dollar Store, or equivalent place.), as long as what you're drawing IS dark, you'll be ok in the chemical.

I myself also had bought one of the etching tanks that uses a pump similar to those from fish tanks, to cycle air up vertically, past the PCB that is standing up vertically. This helps immensely, working better and quicker than the floating method.
All of the boards that I was etching in the later 1990s were done, with the floating method, (Bernie Hutchins - Electronotes Newsletter) where the PCB was floated face down on top of the chemical in the container.

I have followed someone else's idea that had been posted on a thread here at EM a few months ago, with continued success:

1) Before putting the circuit on the PCB, scrub it very well with a very fine steel wool. (00 or 000 in size. Can be bought at your local Home Depot / etc. type place.)

2) Clean the board with hot water and an abrasive cleanser like Comet - then rinsing the board off with the hot water, preferably, without touching it with your finger tips again.

3) Apply the circuit to the board, with whichever method you plan to use.

4) Plop the PCB into it's chemical bath until done. I DO pull the board out of the bath with my bare fingers, to inspect it visually. I clean the chemical off my fingers and from under my finger nails though, ____IMMEDIATELY____ after, placing the PCB back into the chemical. (Wearing gloves is highly recommended for this. I don't have any though - so ...... Wink )

5) When the board is etched, wipe all of the excess chemical off, that has not dripped back into the container, with kleenex or something else that'll be thrown away, immediately after.

6) I then rinse the board in hot water, wiping the rest of the chemical off of it. Proper disposal of that hot water is definitely required, as you don't wish any of the chemical left, to eat away at any metal pipes. Surprised

I then carefully examine the etched board under a well lit magnified area, to repair any traces / pads, that are not complete.

Using all of the above method this season (with the Press N Peel) method, I have had only 1 partial failure, out of ...... 20 to 25 PCBs that I've done. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Rykhaard wrote:


Stolen ...... cardboard? Noooooooooooooooo! Shocked


bummer and it was going to be so cool!

I did hear about this capacitor discharging circuit made on paper on matrix synth... thats where i got the idea, but i cant for the life of me remember what it was called
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've seen a few people use cardboard and paper- eg. early 4ms Pedal DIY circuits.
There's also a guy who recently built a looping circuit in a cardboard box with the traces drawn directly onto the cardboard with a conductive paint pen, and components soldered straight on.
Paper circuits might even introduce some welcome noise & chatter!
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