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I have a Behringer 802 something myself. I use it for input mixes for the vocoder. I´ve considered that DX32 something some years ago for other complex input mixes for filterbanks. The DX32 digital mixer is an oddball flaky crack demon that is kinda a bit weird.. but it is still fairly decent for certain stuff. I have used several and well.. some years ago I considered getting one and just throw it into the gear closet.
I´m not a brand nut. I tend to focus on what the gear does and how it does it and how I can use it. Say, you know I love some Roland gear and you know I view certain Roland devices to be misanthropic Claymores. YMMV
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject:
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re the brands.. please buy whatever you buy for the right reasons. I don´t care about brands but I do care about how advertising and the mindless gear press will fuck with the minds of unsuspecting poor musicians.
Sometimes expensive gear is called for and sometimes not. Most brands will subscribe to the levels model, and if you follow that one then you will end up paying 4-5 times more in the long run than if you went for the good stuff the first time you entered the shop. And then there is the mindless hype. 
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I´m not a brand nut. |
Apart from Cult of Mac?? 
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Oh yeah.. the macs..
Well, that is a long story. Keep in mind I´ve even been selling the damned stuff and bossing the poor critters tending the shop.
Just for the record, I do think OS X is a good thing but I´m one of the twisted few who tend to think that the Next crew took over Apple and not that Apple bought Next.
The old Apple was a nice but incredibly unfocused company and that car salesman managed to fuck it up further. There were many very good things about the old OS 4-6-7-8-9 series, but I reckon that by 1999 that was very hard to see because most consumers didn´t really understand the big picture. OS X is as good as it gets though. As for brands, I do work in an advertising company and I´m perfectly aware what Apple is doing. If I think they are fucking things up then be sure I´ll tell you about it. 
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I haven´t tried the Behringer EFX pedals yet. I reckon some are pretty decent clones of old designs and might work just as well as pretty much the same thing in a 50 cent more expensive and solid housing sporting a familar brand name ( and with a 5 times markup ) Small series production of efx boxes is expensive. We know that. But the markup that some of the high volume brands are relying on is near senseless. |
Yep, yep! The DR100 has basically two great settings: the spring reverb (brilliant on drum machines!) and the modulated rev (swirly chorused rev for instant Cocteau Twins, Echo ATB and other wobbly '80s-ness). For thirty quid, it's a lovely bit of kit. And I preferred the spring emulation to the one on the Fender pedal that costs more than three times as much!
At those prices, it's possible to have a load of stupid, mad FX and experiment much more. 
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| elektro80 wrote: | | I have a Behringer 802 something myself. I use it for input mixes for the vocoder. I´ve considered that DX32 something some years ago for other complex input mixes for filterbanks. The DX32 digital mixer is an oddball flaky crack demon that is kinda a bit weird.. but it is still fairly decent for certain stuff. I have used several and well.. some years ago I considered getting one and just throw it into the gear closet. |
I bought one of these because it was going for £399! And it's a great little digital mixer. In some ways, I prefer the sound of it to the old O2R I used to have. The effects I definitely prefer but that's because I'm a bit of a spring reverb nut and the emulation in the DX32 is my fave (it's why I bought the Behringer pedal).
It's now a sub-mixer in my writing area, away from the control room. Does the job very well. My only gripe is that the fan is a bit noisy if you're recording next to it but I cover it up with a CD case when I do that and it's not blown up yet.
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I´m not a brand nut. I tend to focus on what the gear does and how it does it and how I can use it. Say, you know I love some Roland gear and you know I view certain Roland devices to be misanthropic Claymores. YMMV |
In the '80s, most of the gear I lusted after (and sometimes bought) was Roland. I went off them in the '90s and went a bit more Korg / Emu. This decade, I've got a bit obsessed with Elektron.
Of course, I was far more productive when all I had was three synths, an Emax II and Sequencer One on my 520 STFM! 
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| Jyoti wrote: | | elektro80 wrote: |
I haven´t tried the Behringer EFX pedals yet. I reckon some are pretty decent clones of old designs and might work just as well as pretty much the same thing in a 50 cent more expensive and solid housing sporting a familar brand name ( and with a 5 times markup ) Small series production of efx boxes is expensive. We know that. But the markup that some of the high volume brands are relying on is near senseless. |
Yep, yep! The DR100 has basically two great settings: the spring reverb (brilliant on drum machines!) and the modulated rev (swirly chorused rev for instant Cocteau Twins, Echo ATB and other wobbly '80s-ness). For thirty quid, it's a lovely bit of kit. And I preferred the spring emulation to the one on the Fender pedal that costs more than three times as much!
At those prices, it's possible to have a load of stupid, mad FX and experiment much more. |
I have considered buying a few of those B pedals.. slaughtering them.. figuring out how they work and then refitting them to dotcom panels. I will have to put in a gain booster and some attenuators but that is not a problem. You see.. I have some old signature patches using a stereo-ish reverb thingie for the feed to step sequencer controlled filter shit.. as well as compressors and stuff.. and want to duplicate / replicate some of this stuff for the dotcom modular. The bass lines a bit in at the start of A Scanner Darkly is one example of the "horse-box" patch. I do the same with the synth vocoded synths in The Man Who Japed as well. I have 8 fonik SSM filters awating more front panels for one of the big horse-box patch machines..
The song references go to what you find at my Myspace page or the one at Virb.
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Hey! I did just did a post and it's disappeared! 
Did I offend someone? 
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No...
Huh.. what post where?
No deletes here...
We never do surprise deletes here.. 
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| elektro80 wrote: | | :We never do surprise deletes here.. |
Of course we do  but not in this thread ...
Sorry, I don't know what happened 
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| dualphin wrote: | | I like the idea of a mixer, for the electroacoustic character it will impart. I'd like to learn to use one, anyway. Does the problem I forsee seem like a real problem? I have only just been looking at mixers, and only Mackie, since I hadn't really been considering a mixer until e-m member Dasz suggested using one. But it does seem like a good idea, for the flexibility it brings. |
I love mixers and used crappy analogue ones until I could afford a good one (after a lot of saving). Even when I switched to the digital O2R in '97, I loved the hands-on playability, having everything there.
But I got seduced by the flexibility of DAW-based routing. I love being able to bung my Finalizer, SPL, Oram, Virus TI or whatever over any track as an insert without scrambling round the back of a rack or rats' nest of patch leads.
BUT
Every now and then I see something like this:
...and do a little cry inside...
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| Jyoti wrote: |
I bought one of these because it was going for £399! And it's a great little digital mixer. In some ways, I prefer the sound of it to the old O2R I used to have. The effects I definitely prefer but that's because I'm a bit of a spring reverb nut and the emulation in the DX32 is my fave (it's why I bought the Behringer pedal). |
Yes, it´s absolutely pretty good. I might still want to grab one and then just throw it into the gear closet..
The thing with the DX32 is that it actually works better than advertised. That is simply not the case with the Behringer analog mixers. There is an really old thread somewhere where I actually do hype the DX32. The overall routing is pretty flexible but it does not suit all sorts of work.YMMV The sound quality is quite OK. I wouldn´t want to use it for critical input stuff but it is almost overkill for setting up monitoring mixes when tracking a small rock band. It is great for submixing and stuff like that.
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The song references go to what you find at my Myspace page or the one at Virb. |
Listening now on Virb, good stuff! But Scanner isn't available on there?
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The TOFTs. Yeah.. YMMV
They are nice. I´m not sure if I actually want one though. I´ve extensively used a smaller model.
At the moment I don´t have any space left in our apartment for setting up a live room. My wife took over the living room with her new keyboard rig + Petrof piano + mic stands + a Korg D3200 hard disk recorder thingie.
When we eventually get a bigger place we will definitely set up a huge area for drums and piles of gear.. and a space for a huge console. We both love live recordings and hands on and all that jazz
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A Scanner darkly?
Huh.. It should be on Myspace I think.. way down the list somewhere?
It´s kind of representative for the stuff I wrote way back when Human League was hotter than a burning crotch.
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| elektro80 wrote: | The TOFTs. Yeah.. YMMV
They are nice. I´m not sure if I actually want one though. I´ve extensively used a smaller model. |
It's just a kid thing for me - I grew up wanting to be a musician, engineer, producer and in my fantasies I was always flying some megaconsole, not mousing around / using a teeny control surface.
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At the moment I don´t have any space left in our apartment for setting up a live room. My wife took over the living room with her new keyboard rig + Petrof piano + mic stands + a Korg D3200 hard disk recorder thingie. |
I would also love to have the space for a giant console, digital or analogue. Not going to happen, though.
This again comes back to questions of compromise which I think is a central issue to dualphin's original question. Would it be "better" if I had a desk rather than DAW + surface? Or would the lack of routing flexibility mean I'd be stymied more than inspired?
Inevitably, it seems all recording discussions end up being philosophical and psychological rather than technical!
| Quote: | | When we eventually get a bigger place we will definitely set up a huge area for drums and piles of gear.. and a space for a huge console. We both love live recordings and hands on and all that jazz |
Man, I'm envious!
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| elektro80 wrote: | A Scanner darkly?
Huh.. It should be on Myspace I think.. way down the list somewhere? |
Sorry, I have issues with Rupert Murdoch so I never visit any of his fiefdoms. Loony lefty that I am, etcetera.
| Quote: | | It´s kind of representative for the stuff I wrote way back when Human League was hotter than a burning crotch. |
Which means I'd probably love it. Stick it up on Virb, dude!
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I´ve used a fair number of consoles and I must say that the preferred workflow at the moment is the mixerless DAW. I´ll simply patch whatever I need when I need it. The console approach only shines when you have to do a serious number of tracks when you track in a live room, or for very* complex monitoring setups. As for the live capture scenario, the actual cost of a modern recording console with a decent monitoring section is still way up there. I have my eyes one an old late 70s MCI desk for my future live room.
* very? strike that one.. swop it for obscenely
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I´PMd the little bugger. You´ll notice, I´m sure.
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| Quote: | | It´s kind of representative for the stuff I wrote way back when Human League was hotter than a burning crotch. |
Which means I'd probably love it. |
Uh.. well.. it´s not like HL at all. It´s just me doing my stuff. But that explains why no label would touch it at the time.
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| elektro80 wrote: | | I´ve used a fair number of consoles and I must say that the preferred workflow at the moment is the mixerless DAW. |
Hmmm... 
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