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| Ivity wrote: |
High-quality swedish assembling?  |
is that an ironic remark 
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Stuff like that isn't anything unusual. Most synth manufacturers are always in a hurry. So it's not uncommon to find errors in the PCB design in a stage of development when it's already too late (eg. a batch of boards has already been produced), making the need to cut traces and/or solder bridges. A newer production run might have these errors corrected, but that doesn't keep the manufacturer from using the old ones, with the kludges added.
However, these kinds of hand-made alterations are safe and nothing much to worry about.
Anyway -I wonder why folks buy into this "swedish build quality" thing. Isn't it obvioulsy just clever marketing by Clavia? I mean: We've had so many reports about sticking buttons, the super-flimsy alpha-dial knob (one of mine went and is about to go again), humming PSUs etc.. I've owned several different Clavia instruments and I don't consider them badly made, but I think they are outstanding either. I guess it's the metal casing, which gives a subjective sense of robustness -but that's purely psychological, as it gives no clue about the quality of the parts inside. Which, in the case of Clavia, are decent middle-range stuff, but nothing to be proud about.
Fact: Comparing Clavia synths directly with similarly priced synths of other manufacturers doesn't reveal any superiority in terms of build quality.
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Ivity
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| seraph wrote: | | Ivity wrote: |
High-quality swedish assembling? |
is that an ironic remark |
Of course it's ironic remark, Carlo 
| tim wrote: | Stuff like that isn't anything unusual. Most synth manufacturers are always in a hurry. So it's not uncommon to find errors in the PCB design in a stage of development when it's already too late (eg. a batch of boards has already been produced), making the need to cut traces and/or solder bridges. A newer production run might have these errors corrected, but that doesn't keep the manufacturer from using the old ones, with the kludges added.
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I know about this kind of things, Tim
I simply wanted to offer one's mite in destroying of the myth of "swedish build quality"
P.S. The most funny thing is, that I have the latest hardware revision 1.5
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Looks like Clavia needed to patch something. They used the Green (User1) cable.
I had several sticky buttons and it is a result of the machineing process (when the holes for the buttons are etched out fo the metal). Little bumbs remained where the cut was started and ended.
The procedure is a little risky as it involves removing the panel circuit board which is heavy (and could bend and break if you are not careful) due to the number of LEDs buttons and knobs on it. Then I just filed the imperfections dowm.
Reassembly is tricky as all the buttons and leds must be perfectly aligned (for me I needed to put the metal case on it's side (with the pitchstick and modwheels pointing up) - otherwise other buttons could get sticky.
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| Ivity wrote: |
P.S. The most funny thing is, that I have the latest hardware revision 1.5 |
I was told (by Alexander at Clavia) this number refers only to the front panel graphics (revision number). |
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Well I sure am pleased that I got the G2 engine with no buttons to become sticky.
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| still my engine sometimes randomly stops producing sound untill rebooted.. i think i would rather have a sticky button than this.. although its a small sacrifice for the sheer possibilities of this machine... |
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| intoxicat wrote: | | still my engine sometimes randomly stops producing sound untill rebooted.. i think i would rather have a sticky button than this.. although its a small sacrifice for the sheer possibilities of this machine... |
 Mine doesn't lose its sound, but it does lose its USB connection fairly often... still as you say, it's a small price to pay.
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My own immediate association to my country and "build quality" is sweaty labour as you assemble an IKEA shelf. I've lost most illusions about Sweden being particularly good at health care, engineering etc.
/Stefan
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| Antimon wrote: | My own immediate association to my country and "build quality" is sweaty labour as you assemble an IKEA shelf. I've lost most illusions about Sweden being particularly good at health care, engineering etc.
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Your'e still pretty good at snow though 
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| BobTheDog wrote: | | Antimon wrote: | My own immediate association to my country and "build quality" is sweaty labour as you assemble an IKEA shelf. I've lost most illusions about Sweden being particularly good at health care, engineering etc.
/Stefan |
Your'e still pretty good at snow though
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... and women, surely? 
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| sheridan wrote: | | BobTheDog wrote: | | Antimon wrote: | My own immediate association to my country and "build quality" is sweaty labour as you assemble an IKEA shelf. I've lost most illusions about Sweden being particularly good at health care, engineering etc.
/Stefan |
Your'e still pretty good at snow though
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Thanks for cheering me up!
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| intoxicat wrote: | | still my engine sometimes randomly stops producing sound untill rebooted.. i think i would rather have a sticky button than this.. although its a small sacrifice for the sheer possibilities of this machine... |
So it's not just me! Actually- it's not that big a deal- a quick reboot and everything is fine again. Still loving this baby.
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Hey Paul,
we should hook up again. I know another G2 owner (analog assailant).
OT -- if anyone in the Vancouver, BC area is looking for a G2 keybaord, I know a guy who is selling one (it's not me, of course -- I'd never let go of either of my G2's)
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Hi all,
Anyone know if the plastic part of the G2 switches is replaceable? My brand new G2 has several deeply scratched switches.  |
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| Anyone have any experience with this? |
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| Hi T7. Is it brand new, i.e., from a store? Is it under warranty? You could try contacting Clavia support. Or the store you got it from. |
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| cebec wrote: | | Hi T7. Is it brand new, i.e., from a store? Is it under warranty? You could try contacting Clavia support. Or the store you got it from. |
Hi,
Yeah. I just purchased it brand new from Musicians Friend. |
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| urgh... Musician's Friend... most of the time I haven't had any problems with them but I did get two patchbays at seperate times which were bent/warped sideways... like they had a stack of them fall off a high shelf onto the distribution warehouse concrete floor, at least that's what I imagined happened to them. also possible you got a return they sold as new. |
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