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dependency on a computer worrisome?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:45 am    Post subject: dependency on a computer worrisome? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Does the G2's dependency on a computer worry anyone? The way Clavia's dropped support for the older modulars and been slow to port the G2 editor to the Macs makes me wonder if I'd have to keep an ancient PC around five years from now just to use the synth.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes, it does worry me.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Doesn't worry me, but I'm not a Mac user.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

considering the requirement for running the editor are pretty low it doesnt really bother me... if nothing else I'd get a cheap lappy just to run the editor ...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah, the space requirements for a extra computer have nothing on those of a standup bass or grand piano.

Still, it's a shame that Clavia didn't do more with the client/server model that the Modulars use. The whole open source matter is one thing and indeed a open protocol for the connection between the editor and the synth would have been a perfect "insurance against the future". Another matter is that modification of the patch can be a musical device, both in the composing process and as a part of the final composition and the options for this are now greatly decreased.

In the end everybody has to look for the right tool for his needs and the need for a extra computer are by no means unsurmountable but I do think it's important to ask yourself questions like "will I be playing this instrument in 10 years?". Compared to the alternatives the G2 isn't realy a explicid DIY instrument; much of it is closed off from tinkering which has the added advantage of there being little need to tinker.

Right now nobody has any real problems installing the editor while installing something like SC or ChucK can be a lot harder. The price for this is that in the future it may become impossible to install the G2 or NM editor on a modern OS while this will remain possible for SC and ChucK unless C++ suddenly drops off the face of the planet (I don't realy forsee that happening). If one system were perfect there wouldn't be so many alternatives, just be aware of what you are trading for what....

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Maybe one of those $100US micro-atx boards, with a simple hard drive could be mounted inside the G2 (or other small box). If you want, you can hook a monitor up to it for direct editing, otherwise, you could run ethernet out and use VNC (or other remote viewing app) to have things running on your full-time pc.

Those small micro-atx boards run very cool, and are small & integrated, so less room for failure. If you can replace the hard disk with flash somehow, you'd be super-gold.

Just an idea...

An opensourced editor would be great, and I'd encourage clavia to do so...I don't think they'd loose customers over the idea (by holding on to their equipment vs. buying the next generation).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

jksuperstar wrote:
If you can replace the hard disk with flash somehow, you'd be super-gold.


Does anyone know if this has been done? Multi Gigabyte flash is quite inexpensive now.

If you trimmed XP back to the bones, so it could just run the editor (and maybe a soft sampler) I'm sure it would fit on a decent sized flash card.

How about one of those pocket LED+DLP projectors mounted inside the G2 case, projecting through a hole on the back. Add a slide out mini screen and your set for life.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I was thinking of just a head-mounted-display, but I like your idea for group patching much better...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Lack of 64-bit Windows support is the only thing that worries/blocks me right now. I'm not really complaining, I can use my work laptop for right now. I have zero real complaints since 1.4 was released.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

the editor does not work on 64 bit windows? Why?

The only time I have had problem installing stuff on a 64 bit windows is when a piece of software has got an older 16-bit component to it. (like the software the company I work for supplies). I havent had that much experience of 64 bit OSs thought..
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The editor works fine, the device driver is incompatible. :/
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Clavia told me that a Universal Binary version of the Editor is planned. That's some good news... that it's at least planned...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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The editor works fine, the device driver is incompatible. :/


ah yes of course! now that worries me a bit
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Do you guys write tech support with questions like this to Clavia?

I'd like to convince them to use the libusb system for creating drivers in the future, in particular for the new MacOSX intel drivers. This way, the drivers are in user space, not kernel, and would be easily ported to other OSes, ie- Linux, BSD, etc. It would actually make their life easier, since they don't have to maintain maintain different drivers for the various OSes! Ports exist for linux, macosx, (darwin), bsd, and windows (libusb-win32). Hopefully, then, when a libusb-win64 is available, the drivers just run on that system.

http://libusb.sourceforge.net
http://libusb-win32.sourceforge.net
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

jksuperstar wrote:
Do you guys write tech support with questions like this to Clavia?

I'd like to convince them to use the libusb system for creating drivers in the future, in particular for the new MacOSX intel drivers. This way, the drivers are in user space, not kernel, and would be easily ported to other OSes, ie- Linux, BSD, etc. It would actually make their life easier, since they don't have to maintain maintain different drivers for the various OSes! Ports exist for linux, macosx, (darwin), bsd, and windows (libusb-win32). Hopefully, then, when a libusb-win64 is available, the drivers just run on that system.

http://libusb.sourceforge.net
http://libusb-win32.sourceforge.net


Yeah, occasionally I write them with a question or concern. I'll pass this along as I don't think it could hurt.
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