G2 replicating a Lead 2

disrupt_the_imc · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:20 am Post subject: G2 replicating a Lead 2

I was assuming that some of the G2's oscillators are the same as the ones found in say a Lead or Lead 2. So is it possible to build a Lead 2 patch out of some modules of the G2?

Tim Kleinert · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:09 am Post subject:

Structurally, it is possible. There is a 1:1 replica of the NL2 structure among the factory presets. Sonically, the G2 has a different sonic footprint though, sounding closer in pedigree to the NL3 than the NL2. (The NL2 was done by a different programmers team and had different audio converters too). Personally, I have owned a NL2, NL3, and now the G2 -and I can affirm this. To me, the G2 sound more "high-end-y", preciser, has far less aliasing -but some folks say that the NL2 has a special warmth to it that isn't present in the later models. I prefer the G2.

But don't forget that the modularity of the G2 gives you ample possibilities to finetune the "overall sound" to your taste, from basic EQ modules to more nifty contraptions like Rob Hordijks "tilt filter". Big, big potential. And then, the most important benefit: FX! Having reverbs, chorus etc. per patch is just such a great advantage over the NordLead series, and was the a point for me to switch from them to the G2.

Try out a G2 and see for yourself. There are some factory patches which bear the abbreviation "NL2" in the patch name. These use a replica of the NL2 structure. Tweak around and see if you like it.

dorremifasol · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:17 am Post subject:

Tim, is the NL2 patch architecture only similar or a complete replica? Thanks

Wout Blommers · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:15 am Post subject:

See
http://www.electro-music.com/forum/post-91759.html#91759

Most important thing the User Interface is completely different.
The attached patch in the above thread makes the same sound as the first NordLead program. It's an attempt to create the architecture of the NordLead2 in the G2, better the G2X.
The other programs are much more difficult, specially those using pulse wave forms and puls width modulation.
BTW due to less time I stopped the NL2 project, but maybe someone would like to continue, specially the Unison?

Wout

dorremifasol · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:37 am Post subject:

Thank you very much Wout, I'll check your patch. Smile

Wout Blommers · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject:

Funny...
I just checked the NordLead emulations from the factory banks in the G2, made by Sean Charles, a rather good sound designer on the Lead himself, but some possibilities are left out in the architecture, like no ring modulator (as I said before: the NL factory patches don't use the ring modulator either Very Happy

) There is no distortion, LFO1 is only be used to modulate Osc1 and LFO2 only Osc2, no Notch+LowPass Filter and some more.
They may reproduce the sound, but not the possibilities of the NL2.

And the Chorus module surely isn't an Unison!

What I like to investigate is to use the PWM in a linear mode. I used switch modules instead of mixers...

Wout

disrupt_the_imc · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject:

So, basically a G2 CAN'T emulate a Lead 2?

So a G2 and a Lead 2 are completely different beasts??

Did I read correctly? The G2 carries no inboard distortion?
Or are certain modules unable to patch to other modules. So....is the G2 fully or semi modular? Is it restricted in any way?

Oh BTW, I do not own any Nord synths. I plan on eventually.
And I prefer the Lead 2X to a Lead 3.

Wout Blommers · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject:

No, you didn't read correctly Smile

Of course the G2 has a beautiful distortion and not just a single distortion, but one which is highly flexible.
I wrote or I meant: Sean Charles doesn't use any distortion module in his patches, mainly because he doesn't want it in his sound...

My patch is an experiment to recreate the complete architecture of the NL2 into the G2X, not just a single sound, but a standard patch which can be used to emulate the NL2 completely, a kind of a template.

But there are a lot of differences between the two synths, apart of the DAC's. Specially the parameter values are different, e.g. the LFO's.

Anyway, if you like to try the G2, just download the G2Demo. It can do the most of all the tricks, only monophone, on your own computer and totally free...

http://www.clavia.se/products/nordmodular/demo.htm

Wout

Wout Blommers · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject:

disrupt_the_imc · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:12 am Post subject:

Yeah, I understand modulars are quite a barrel of slippery fish. Wink

I do own other synths and I have subtractive down, Nord leads are additive, is that correct? I'm learning my ropes, ...and actually my friend said that I should; if face to face w/ a modular... run...
He thinks it'll burn me out......silly bastard.

Thanks for all the info guys! I'll try out that G2 demo Twisted Evil

dorremifasol · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:19 am Post subject:

Check Rob's tutorial if you want to learn good and true things about synthesis, including the difference between subtractive an additive synthesis.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhordijk/G2Pages/

ian-s · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:42 am Post subject:

Wout Blommers · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:53 pm Post subject: