envelope-start from 0V

[mr.extrem]

Hi together
I have a question about triggering envelopes. It's a little bit difficult to explain in my good english, but let me try.
I want that my envelopes start allways from 0V, what is not the case when you have a high sustain level and a long release amount. Then my envelopes start allways from the level, where the release level ends.

So what i'm looking for is a way to reset the envellope, so that the attack phase allways beginn from 0V.

Here is a audioexample:

First with short attack and short release (In this case it's no problem because the release is short and has time to fall to 0V before the next note is played)
http://www.twango.com/media/mr-extrem.public/mr-extrem.10001

So and here is the problem. This time attack and release is long (The attack beginns not from 0V, because of the release is long)
http://www.twango.com/media/mr-extrem.public/mr-extrem.10002

I have a a-140 and a cw adsr-vc2 which both has a retrigger input. Does anybody know how to do this.

Thanks for each idea

[morbius]

I'd be looking at using a gate delay, or something that could alter the trigger/gate prior to the EG. On Synthesizers.com, I've had great results using the Q961... a module that actually designed to compliment the Q960 sequential controller... but when a keyboard gate is patched thru it's 'timed' (b) column, it has some... ummm... delay-like properties... kinda like a gate delay, but not exactly.

If you have a spare 2nd EG, try patching the two in series, and tweaking the first to affect the signal which the 2nd one sees.

Also- it never hurts to experiement, and think outside the box. While filters are generally thought of as being used for audio... you may try a low-pass, band-pass, or even high-pass filters, prior to the EG.... just to see what effect they/it has.

Good luck.

~Morbius~

[mr.extrem]

Ok, but i don't understand what a trigger delay can help for this problem. What do you mean can it help for..

[morbius]

Well, not precisely a trigger 'delay'... I was thinking of the effect I get on that Q961... it tends to alter the 'time' of the gate signal... there is some delay, and also, it affects how long the sustain of the gate is, but it has no 'release slope', as the release on an EG does.

From the description of the behavior of the EG, I'm thinking that altering the length of the gate signal may help. I don't know what the active threshold is for your EG's, but the dotcom EG threshold is 1.5 volts... so, it's either there, and the EG will fire, or it's not there, and the EG won't fire. But variables like EG sustain time, and actual length of the gate may cause the EG to behave, in conbination with the sustain setting, the way you want it to. Consider how varying the pulse-width of a sequencer's internal osc. afftects the EG. The percentage of the width has a great effect on how the EG responds and reacts.

I'm just suggesting some things to experiement with, regarding the EG issue/effect. "Happy accidents" don't occur without trying things you didn't think would work.

[mr.extrem]

I think the time of the trigger and the gate should be as long as they are. I checked it what the retrigger function exactly does. Yes it starts the envelope new, but from this level where the decay ore release time ends and not from 0V.
And now, when you have a typical string envelope: long Attack and release, max. sustain level, then the envelope starts always from the max. sustain level and the attack falls out.

I don't know how this is made for example by the moog voyager, but on this synth it's the case that the envelopes are always reseted.

[Funky40]

maybe you get the results you looking for with multiplexing 2 envelops.
that should work, but it is the question if sideeffects will occour.
i did multiplexing with envelops just once. I don't remember sideeffects

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