Apple's Planned Obsolescence

BobTheDog · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:03 am Post subject:

Anyway my favourite OS was CPM, you new where you were with that, nice and simple.

Blue Hell · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:40 am Post subject:

Turbo Pascal on CP/M those were the days Wink

Kassen · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:03 am Post subject:

Ok, that one I had to look up :¬)

Then I poked around a bit more on pages from those days....

Erm, Jan, do I understand correctly that I could boot my Amstrad PPC512 straight into Forth, then connect some port's pins to a drum-machine, then livecode this? And that this could conceivably be rather nice as a parlour trick?

Blue Hell · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:16 am Post subject:

I dont know that Amstrad machine, but basically yes, not a weird idea at all ... I had a Bullet running CP/M and as SCSI was not invented yet it had a SASI port and that one could just be bit banged for general purpose i/o Cool

That Bullet had a boot ROM of 32 bytes, just enough to read the first sector from a floppy and to jump into it. So when you would have made a forth with block I/O on the floppy it would be easy to boot straight into Forth. I never did it, but it would not be too hard .. wanna buy it Wink

Kassen · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:37 am Post subject:

The only weird thing (well, in this context....)about that Amstrad is the display. That might be a issue, I poked some more and apparently such disks do exist and do exist for various Amstrad's but it's not so clear whether for one this Amstrad exists and if so how to get it. Sadly the internet isn't teeming with disk images for the PPC512.

Alternately I found something called "formula" exists which is a musical OS/Forth-interperter for the Atari but the ST isn't a laptop and not as exotic not does it have empty space in the case.

It's not clear to me what you want to buy.

Kassen · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject:

http://www.astrobe.byethost31.com/download.html

This might do.
I found at least one other one but this one looks like it's based on 8086 instead of requiring 386 instructions.

Scroll down to "standalone".

No idea to what degree that will be able to address the little screen.

Antimon · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject:

Blue Hell · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject:

Kassen · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject:

Oh, buy your bullet? No thanks, no that sounds even less practical then this already borderline-silly plan.

Blue Hell · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject:

v-un-v · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject:

dewdrop_world · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject:

Blue Hell · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject:

Kassen · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject:

BobTheDog · Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:46 am Post subject:

Hi Kassen,

I think you can boot without the gui:

http://www.osxfaq.com/Tutorials/console/index.ws

Cheers

Andy

Kassen · Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:55 am Post subject:

That's very odd to me.

Why do you need the graphical shell to enable this? A option to hit esc at startup or something similar sounds much better, I think.

This way it's useless if your graphical shell collapses and you decide at that moment you would like to go to the terminal to reconfigure it. This can be quite important if -for example- you need to replace a broken monitor by one that doesn't support auto-detect and so needs to be manually configured. I also notice you need to first boot up to a *graphical* interface too select you want only the terminal, a very odd choice.

Do I understand correctly that if Quartz would get deleted or become corrupted you couldn't get into the terminal either? Or does that menu not depend on Quartz? Also; I can't imagine this system of hidden features activated by naming users certain names counts as "intuitive"? I would never have found that on my own, for example.

BobTheDog · Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:01 am Post subject:

It doesn't work anyway, I just tried it!

Kassen · Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:13 am Post subject:

dewdrop_world · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:45 am Post subject:

v-un-v · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:00 am Post subject:

I suppose you've seen this?;

http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/apple-buys-chip-p-a-semi-chip-designer-intel-says-wha/

What are those good apple people up to??

Rolling Eyes

Kassen · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:15 am Post subject:

Oh, now, that IS interesting. DEC made some nice chips. Still, I'm happy the article points out (so I don't have to do it);

BobTheDog · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:16 am Post subject:

I think the IPhone is doomed anyway so I wonder what else they may have up their sleeves.

Also Jobs is well known for making the odd strange decision!

elektro80 · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:43 am Post subject:

All products are doomed. This planet is doomed. Elvis is doomed. Shocked

BobTheDog · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:57 am Post subject:

Elvis! Are you sure?