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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:51 am    Post subject: Gated Comparator demo
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an example using the Gated Comparator as the main control source:

http://thursday-club.net/sound/fluxmonk_may08.mp3

GC driving 3 blacet oscillators (x-modulating each other) and triggering 3 ADSRs driving 2 VCFs and 1 LPG. Probably some wogglebug action in there as well. As the piece progresses, main manipulation was to open up the comparator level, and change the amount of comparator modulation going to the oscillators; then some fairly wide swings thru the various osc. freq. knobs... also some gradually opening up of the filters.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks Mister! I have one of those in the backlog, and have never heard an example before, so this is great.

Cool

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Great! Mine's right up to the plate, so this will give me the kick I need to get started on ir.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks bbob, i had no Idea what this moule does.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Is it possible to have this module to behave like a standard sequential stepper/sequencer ?
with only one stage active.

What CV to put in ?


I didn't remember about this either :
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The unit can also be used as a simple gate delay, where the delay is controlled by the frequency of the clock signal. The length of the resulting delayed gate signal would of course be a multiple of the clock period.


http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs13_gated_comparator.html
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

andrewF wrote:
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enjoy the gated comp - it is great for triggering drum modules


I guess I'll definitly throw my GateComp off my rig, off my modular cabinet...as I don't know how to use it (borrowed of 8bits style sounds too Very Happy )...

I'd really like to get convinced it's cool, so maybe i'll put it with some MPS unit or other stand-alone sequencer (M-185) Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

funkyfarm wrote:
Is it possible to have this module to behave like a standard sequential stepper/sequencer ?
with only one stage active.

What CV to put in ?



I think you could, have a pulse signal on the input running at 1/8 of your clock signal. So on every 8th clock pulse, the input goes high, output Q1 goes high and this will step thru.
Guess you will need a CGS pulse divider to do this Smile

It can be hard figuring out what the inputs are doing, try just a pulse signal into clock and a much slower tri-wave from a LFO to input. Nothing to the CVjack (leave that til you get used to how it works) Turn the pot until the leds are firing at a rate that pleases you, the pot sets a voltage level, when your input tri-wave rises above this voltage, the output Q1 will go high on the next clock pulse. If the tri-wave voltage is still higher than the pot set voltage on the following clock pulse, Q2 will go high and Q1 will go high.

Lately my favorite use for the gated comp is to patch it to my CGS Programmers, Say Q1 to Prog 1/input 1, Q2 to Prog2/input 1, Q3 to Prog 1/input 2..... The programmers put out great little sequences that are related to each other, basically it turns the Gated Comp into a multi-output sequencer.
Which raises the question has anybody tried adding the CGS42 Gate Seq CV Adapter to the Gated Comparator? you would end up with a very interesting sequencer, akin to a very simplified Klee
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

andrewF wrote:

Which raises the question has anybody tried adding the CGS42 Gate Seq CV Adapter to the Gated Comparator? you would end up with a very interesting sequencer, akin to a very simplified Klee


Sounds like a cool idea. Are you sure they would work together, with multiple steps active at once? Wouldn't you need some way of mixing the CV's? Sure it would be more basic than the klee, but it would also go a step ahead at the same time, since the selection of steps could be controlled by continuous external signals

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I think it would work, but you would need to reduce the voltage into the collectors of the transistors. As more than one transistor can be on at once, the summed voltage into the opamp can easily get too high.
Possibly a single pot wired up as a voltage divider will do the job.

I mentioned Klee because, like the Klee, you can have more than one step 'on' at the same time, so the output is a sum of the 'on' steps. Unlike a regular sequencer where only one stage is on at a time.

thinking about it more, just patch the regular stage outputs of a gated comparator into a CGS DC mixer and it will work just as well!
Crikey! I'll just go and try it Smile


EDIT - yep, works great!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

andrewF wrote:

EDIT - yep, works great!


Awesome! There are always new surprises with CGS modules. Unfortunately, I don't have any mixers Mad I thought I could sneak by with multiple CV and audio inputs on my modules until I realize the hulking MTEAM (mixer to end all mixers) I'm dreaming up.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

andrewF wrote:
I think it would work, but you would need to reduce the voltage into the collectors of the transistors. As more than one transistor can be on at once, the summed voltage into the opamp can easily get too high.
Possibly a single pot wired up as a voltage divider will do the job.

I mentioned Klee because, like the Klee, you can have more than one step 'on' at the same time, so the output is a sum of the 'on' steps. Unlike a regular sequencer where only one stage is on at a time.

EDIT - yep, works great!


Would you explain this patch a little more? I think I get what you're doing, but I'm a little slow. Could you detail all of the connections you're making?

I don't have a GC yet, but have been looking at it closely in this context, as a source of controlled random values. It sounds like you've found a great practical application for it here.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Now Ive had my coffee, i think the easier and more flexible route is to build a CGS DC mixer beside the Gated Comp. Build the mixer so it has 8 inputs. Using switching jacks, wire the switches of the GC shift register output stage jacks to the switches of the DC mixer input jacks.

This way, with nothing connected to the outputs of the GC, or inputs of the mixer, you can use the GC as a very effective CV sequencer.

You still have a choice of using the mixer as a mixer or the GC as a trigger source when you choose to.

Of course, not all 8 outputs of the GC need to go to the mixer, I have a patch running now with 4 GC outputs to one mixer and the remaining 4 to a 2nd mixer.
One mixer and the GC random output are connected to a CGS VCO (processor inputs). The other mixer is to a VCF, for processing the VCO's output. its a fun setup - a bit like the Klee, a few tweaks of the mixer pots results in a whole new pattern.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I think maybe the Quantized and Stored Random Voltage sections of Buchla 266 use a similar setup as you've described, except, instead of switches, there are resistors and/or pot to limit the voltage outputs of the individual stages pre-mix. Then by adding or subtracting possible mix inputs, you get a probablility distribution. I don't know if this is correct, but it's something I've been thinking about as an application for the GC. Does that make sense?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Don't know much about the Buchla, but from your description you could get a similar output by choosing which GC outputs to patch into the DC mixer (rather than all of them) and setting the level pots accordingly. or have a look at the dual processor, the DC Mixer sums the input voltages, with the processor you can add or subtract -
http://www.cgs.synth.net/synth/serge/dual_processor.html
it would not be hard to mod a DC Mixer PCB to act as a processor.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

andrewF wrote:
funkyfarm wrote:
Is it possible to have this module to behave like a standard sequential stepper/sequencer ?
with only one stage active.

What CV to put in ?



I think you could, have a pulse signal on the input running at 1/8 of your clock signal. So on every 8th clock pulse, the input goes high, output Q1 goes high and this will step thru.
Guess you will need a CGS pulse divider to do this Smile


Yop ! It works.

Input clock divided by eight and timestretched with CGS24 Gate2Trigger converter ! Wink

No cv in.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

andrewF wrote:
Lately my favorite use for the gated comp is to patch it to my CGS Programmers, Say Q1 to Prog 1/input 1, Q2 to Prog2/input 1, Q3 to Prog 1/input 2..... The programmers put out great little sequences that are related to each other, basically it turns the Gated Comp into a multi-output sequencer.


How does this work? Say that you've got Q1 = 0, Q2 = 1, Q3 = 1, Q4=0 from the gated comparator and that would respond to step 2 and step 3 being active in the CGS59? But the CGS59 can't have several steps active at the same time - so what does it do? Smile

I've had the gated comparator in my backlog for a while now and as I'm closing in on getting my first programmer / sequencer done I'm getting more and more curious about it! I imagine the two of them would make a great pair!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've got 3 programmers, so the gated comp outputs can be used to drive two of them simultaneously, giving related but different patterns from each.

Yes, I fully recommend having more than 1 programmer Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

andrewF wrote:
Yes, I fully recommend having more than 1 programmer Smile


It's on my to-do-list! Cool

I've started a 4 stage version. And feel the need to build a 8 stage version aswell!
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