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ETI VCO (4600, 5600 etc) schematic and q about CMOS switch
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:19 am    Post subject: ETI VCO (4600, 5600 etc) schematic and q about CMOS switch Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here is the schematic for the ETI 4600 VOC. It is a linear, triangle-core, through-zero VCO with tri, sine, saw, ramp and pulse outputs. The version shown here is actually the one from the Maplin 5600, which has sync input and output as well.

I am rebuilding my ETI 4600 and I have found that replacing all the 301 op-amps which are not used for positive amplification improves the sound a good amount. (Because the decoupling capacitors have the wrong values, as I wrote in a previous post.) For example, replace IC 1 and IC 2 with TL081 and IC 7 with TL071.

Anyway, I am now stuck sourcing a 4416AE quad CMOS analog switch for the fourth VCO. It seems that quad switches have a fairly standard pinout for the 4*16 range, but different specs and generations of technology. I cannot find a datasheet for the 4416 (I think Maxim made them, perhaps SCL and Fairchild?)

Does anyone have any ideas about what modern 4*16 can be substituted?

Thanks, and I hope the VCO schematic is interesting. (The boards are still available, by the way, from RCS Australia, for about $20 a board IIRC.)

Cheers
Rick


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:00 am    Post subject: Re: ETI VCO (4600, 5600 etc) schematic and q about CMOS swit Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ricko wrote:
Here is the schematic for the ETI 4600 VOC. It is a linear, triangle-core, through-zero VCO with tri, sine, saw, ramp and pulse outputs. The version shown here is actually the one from the Maplin 5600, which has sync input and output as well.


Hi Rick

Can you explain us how the through-zero operates, I have the feeling that diodes D1 and D2 are there to prevent the circuit to go through-zero. That is, the circuit seems to work when a negative voltage is applied at the input and everything is blocked when a positive voltage is used at the input. Or do I miss something ?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

That is what I thought too.

The input to the circuit is usually +/- 5V, and therefore the output of IC2 is usually positive.

As you say, if the input is negative, it is easy. But since the input is usually positive, that is a little more interesting. The documentation speaks of the diodes being there for "excessive voltages" (i.e. for large positive inputs.)

(The circuit definitely works, by the way!)


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Damn, I think your ae right it isn't though-zero, but not because of the diodes. I don't see where the logic of the +ve and -ve selection switch IC3/1 and IC3/2 flips to match any flipped outputs of IC1 and IC2 for a negative input: if it doesn't flip the oscillator will just lock up.

I'll go home and test it!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ricko wrote:
That is what I thought too.

The input to the circuit is usually +/- 5V, and therefore the output of IC2 is usually positive.

As you say, if the input is negative, it is easy. But since the input is usually positive, that is a little more interesting. The documentation speaks of the diodes being there for "excessive voltages" (i.e. for large positive inputs.)

(The circuit definitely works, by the way!)


This means that the absolute voltage at the CMOS switches must be smaller than the 0.7V break point of the diodes. Probably why they are 33K resistors at the outputs of the OPAs.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Something like that, yes.

What about this logic: in order to convert this to a through-zero, we would have to ensure that the inputs to the switch are always negative at the top and positive at the bottom. In other words, full-wave rectification... does that make sense?

This could be done by a diode bridge after R11 and R12. That sounds scary: the linear CV is very sensitive to non-linearities.

Another approach would be to have a non-inverting op-amp with a gain of 2 in parallel with IC1, but with a diode in series with its input, blocking the usual case of positive voltages. So the sum of the outputs is the absolute value of the CV input. That would give no non-linearities on the normal operation (e.g. for normal non-FM use, but provide some through-zero for FM use, would be the theory.)

If this is not complete rubbish, it would work on any linear VCO. (Mathematically, the negative CV wave might be out-of phase, but I don't now that it matters.) In fact, you could build it in after the linear-to-expo converter of a conventional VCO design, I guess. It seems an easier method than the switching that you see in some designs.
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