Netherlands smoking ban

BobTheDog · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: Netherlands smoking ban

Is this in force now?

Andy

blue hell · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:26 am Post subject:

Yes, you can only smoke weed in the coffee shop now and no tobacco anymore. There are some new churches for the fire smoke and ash god or something, that is until some judge will say no .. a matter of weeks probably.

BobTheDog · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:32 am Post subject:

So only neat weed, lots of white faced tourists then!

The world is coming to an end.

blue hell · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:39 am Post subject:

seraph · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:54 am Post subject:

can you grate weed on a dish of spaghetti Question

BobTheDog · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:17 am Post subject:

A friend and I were going to visit, we have decided now to go to a country where we can smoke and have a beer!

blue hell · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:31 am Post subject:

blue hell · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:33 am Post subject:

Antimon · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:34 am Post subject:

I sometimes wonder what tobacco tea would taste like - but I'm not about to try!

/Stefan

BobTheDog · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:02 am Post subject:

Wout Blommers · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:02 am Post subject:

BobTheDog · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:10 am Post subject:

Oskar · Joined: Jul 29, 2004 Posts: 1751 Location: Norway

Well, in Norway the smoking ban's been in place for 4 yers now, and people are NOT staying away in droves! According to the state run Institute for Research into Drugs and Tobacco (the Norwegian nomenclature is drastically different to the English, so teh translation is not precise), the overall decline in alcohol sales is marginal 0.8 %, although beer sales was down a whopping 6.2%. Go figure.
Also, the number of pub- and restaurant bankruptcies did increase during the first few months, but it must be noted that this is actually quite normal during the summer months.

On a personal note, I must say that I've loved the fact that since the total ban on smoking, I can actually wear the same pair of jeans two nights in a row while out gigging, and I don't get that horrible feeling in the morning
of having inhaled all the tobacco and smoke residue from my hair all night.

http://www.sirus.no/internett/tobakk/publication/206.html

BobTheDog · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:31 am Post subject:

I used to work for a Norwegian company and I would say that is because Norwegians like a drink and not a cigarette!

Or maybe they like a cigarette but not as much as a drink?

dewdrop_world · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:35 am Post subject:

blue hell · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:41 am Post subject:

BobTheDog · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:57 am Post subject:

James:

When they ban public consumption of alcohol then their businesses may not do so well. But I suppose you can all be like the gits in Friends and drink coffee, until they ban that.

Jan:

Yep same here, small places without smoking areas are suffering and will likely close. Most pub/bar goers in the UK are smokers. People that are not smokers still do not go to pubs even though one of the reasons that they used to cite for not going has been removed.

Oskar · Joined: Jul 29, 2004 Posts: 1751 Location: Norway

Wayne Higgins · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:20 am Post subject:

You guys should quit smoking tobacco anyway.

I'm just confused by the opening statement.

OK to smoke weed in coffee shops, just no tobacco. (?)

Are there any job openings around there?

BobTheDog · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:21 am Post subject:

I have quit, that is not the point.

blue hell · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:25 pm Post subject:

Acoustic Interloper · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject:

Well, it looks like you'd be able to find some smokey bars near EM2008, although not inside the venue itself. happy smoker

dewdrop_world · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject:

Bob made me realize that what's missing from my analysis is the fact that public opinion in the US vis-a-vis smoking has turned around to be more negative than positive now, and probably most countries in the EU have not seen the same degree of attitude shift. I'd go so far as to say that this is one of the few, if not the only, area where the US is more enlightened than Europe.

Say you have a business that survives in part based on tobacco use. If you hold your finger up to the wind and see that smoking is becoming less publicly acceptable, you might think that some changes in your business model would be necessary to survive and that you would have to attract a different clientele at some point in the future. I can't blame a lot of pub owners for thinking "it won't happen to me" and then getting surprised by new legislation. But they are still caught off guard.

It isn't only pub owners that fall short in this. How many times has the US auto industry been caught with its pants down? They failed to make structural changes with the 1970's energy crisis, and then they responded to Japanese imports by making bigger, uglier vehicles that they could sell at inflated prices. Now another energy crisis is causing that business model to fail... AGAIN. Dumbasses. The lot of them -- US auto execs in general -- deserve to lose every penny. But they won't. They pass the losses onto the dedicated, hard workers in factories who are the first to go when some idiot in a suit upstairs has his head too far up his butt to make some good business sense once in awhile.

James

Antimon · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject:

In Sweden, the mandatory warning labels on cigarette packs have grown larger and larger over the years. I think the linked picture is inaccurate, because the label is larger still nowadays, and it has to be on all sides of the package. "Rökning dödar" translates to "Smoking kills"

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Edit: weird link, found another example

For at least a decade, maybe two, the attitude here towards smoking has been overwhelmingly negative. I've never smoked, but I sometimes get a nostalgic feeling when I walk by the smoked-in apartment at the bottom of my stairwell of flats, where an old aviation instructor sometimes keeps his door open to his incredibly smoked-in flat. I dream back to my childhood, growing up in a cloud of smoke exhumed by everyone older than 12.

/Stefan

seraph · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject:

Vonnegut “Well, I smoke a lot, you know.”

Webster: Pall Malls?

Vonnegut “I’ve got a lawsuit against Brown & Willliamson now. Because I have been chain-smoking Pall Malls since I was 11. And on their package they promised to kill me.” (laughs)

Interview with Kurt Vonnegut