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| 5.63" x 4.5" --or-- 143mm x 114mm |
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I want a bridechamber serge style panel.
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| mono-poly wrote: | I want a bridechamber serge style panel.
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v-un-v
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Ian or Scott, any chance of some more mp3's of this baby? Is it possible to provide some examples on it's own and say in conjunction with another oscillator, providing cross modulation etc?
The unique thing about Cynthia's design was that in many ways the ZO could be used without other modules- providing an almost 'complete' synthesizer in its own right (ala FM). Can the Teezer also do this? (sorry, this is all rather exciting!).
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mono-poly
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| TekniK wrote: | | mono-poly wrote: | I want a bridechamber serge style panel.
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Yeah ZT do the graphics
Bridechamber the asemblng.
Mono do the patching!
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TekniK
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| v-un-v wrote: | Ian or Scott, any chance of some more mp3's of this baby? Is it possible to provide some examples on it's own and say in conjunction with another oscillator, providing cross modulation etc?
Tom |
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frijitz
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| v-un-v wrote: | | The unique thing about Cynthia's [sic] design was that in many ways the ZO could be used without other modules- providing an almost 'complete' synthesizer in its own right (ala FM). |
It sounds like you might be best off sticking with the ZO.
A main goal in developing the Teezer was to keep the price down with minimal tradeoff against performance. At $135 for a board and all parts, you can build seven Teezers for the price of a ZO. If a couple extra built-in features are worth that much to you, then the ZO is definitely the way you should go. Myself, I like my modular to be ... well ... modular. What any module will do on its own isn't that important to me, it's how it can be used in a system that matters.
But "chaqun a ..."
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frijitz
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Please ignore the text at the bottom of the page. This is not a beginner project. It requires careful setup and adjusting, and the equipment and knowhow to carry it out.
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v-un-v
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| frijitz wrote: | What any module will do on its own isn't that important to me, it's how it can be used in a system that matters.
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Yes....., and.......  
So how about some mp3s?!
PS- I've never really known what 'sic' means- but I'm assuming you are (quite rightly) pointing out that Cynthia didn't design the ZO?
PPS, I don't want a ZO. I want a Teezer!! But I also want more demoes of what it can achieve (please?  )
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| frijitz wrote: | | At $135 for a board and all parts, you can build seven Teezers for the price of a ZO. |
You bet!
But, what is the difference between the full kit and the $135 kit? 
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frijitz
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| v-un-v wrote: | | frijitz wrote: | What any module will do on its own isn't that important to me, it's how it can be used in a system that matters.
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And ... you asked what it does on its own.
On its own it's just a saw/tri/sin VCO. (Refer to previous posts in this thread.)
I don't have much experience with FM, so I'm sure others can do better demos. I'm working at getting a panel done with a number of modules and when that is done I'll try to do some more recordings.
I'm trying to get a hold of Scott about the difference between full kit and panel + pcb + component kit. I'm sure I knew at one time.
Thanks for your interest!
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how about the 1% 50PPM resistors.
are those the very common 1% resistors or is this something special ?
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But, what is the difference between the full kit and the $135 kit? |
full kit has also the panel, and i assume also all pots, knobs, jacks.
just everything to build a module |
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| Funky40 wrote: | | how about the 1% 50PPM resistors. are those the very common 1% resistors or is this something special ? |
Thanks for your order! Digi and Mouser have carried those for some time, so it's all I use anymore. The common ones are usually 100ppm, which will probably be OK.
| Quote: | full kit has also the panel, and i assume also all pots, knobs, jacks.
just everything to build a module |
So the component kits don't have pots and jax?
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| frijitz wrote: | So the component kits don't have pots and jax?
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partkit usually means all the parts that go onto the PCB.
Ahh, i had a partkit for the Threeler, that was exactly like this.
| frijitz wrote: | | Thanks for your order! |
hehe, ...................... i thank you Ian !
| frijitz wrote: | Digi and Mouser have carried those for some time, so it's all I use anymore. The common ones are usually 100ppm, which will probably be OK.
Ian |
not all clear:
i saw that Mouser has 1% Resistors with 50 PPM tempco,
but when you speak about "common" and 100ppm, do you mean 1% Metalfilm or 5% Carbon.
I have 1%metallfilm here, it's now the question if those from mouser are different. |
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| Funky40 wrote: | not all clear:
i saw that Mouser has 1% Resistors with 50 PPM tempco,
but when you speak about "common" and 100ppm, do you mean 1% Metalfilm or 5% Carbon.
I have 1%metallfilm here, it's now the question if those from mouser are different. |
I mean 1% metal film. These have commonly been 100ppm, but now you can also get 50ppm.
I recommend the 50ppm parts just because that's what I used for the prototypes, and I know that the VCO stability is very good with them. Probably 100 ppm will work fine for most folks. So if you have 100 ppm parts and aren't super fussy about stability, then go ahead and use them. If you are ordering new parts especially for this project, then I suggest the 50 ppm units.
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frijitz
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Clarification from Bridechamber:
"Full kit also includes all hardware, IC sockets, power cable stuff, etc."
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| frijitz wrote: | I mean 1% metal film. These have commonly been 100ppm, but now you can also get 50ppm.
I recommend the 50ppm parts just because that's what I used for the prototypes, and I know that the VCO stability is very good with them.
Ian |
thanks Ian,
in germany you get them btw. at Kessler for good prices.
be aware that they have (also) 10packs and 100packs !
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ian can you explain your zenier voltage drop quick fix a little
if i wanted to do this to another modules would i need 3.0V Zeniers?
i can only seem to find 3.3V at my local store (1N4728)
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| Luka wrote: | ian can you explain your zenier voltage drop quick fix a little
if i wanted to do this to another modules would i need 3.0V Zeniers?
i can only seem to find 3.3V at my local store (1N4728) |
Luka --
The Zeners are in series with the PS lines where they enter the board. The Zener drop depends on the current draw, so it can be a bit tricky to find the right device to use. For the low-current branch of the Teezer I used 3.0V units (1N5225B), and for the high-current branches I used 2.7V units (1N5223B). This got all the PS voltages pretty close to 12V. I suppose these voltages might change somewhat depending on operating conditions, but it shouldn't matter since all critical voltages are on subregulators.
For different applications, all I can suggest is to try it out and measure the resulting PS voltages. There are no guarantees on this method always working, but it doesn't hurt to try. You can also use IC 12V regulators. Then you should get satisfactory performance.
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oscilloclast
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| Seems like things got quiet once the board was released. Has anyone built one of these yet? Thoughts/comments? |
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| oscilloclast wrote: | | Seems like things got quiet once the board was released. Has anyone built one of these yet? Thoughts/comments? |
Yeah I'd like to know too. More audio clips would rock as well! |
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