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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:04 pm    Post subject: tenori-on with NM1 Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hello peeps.
I just got myself a secondhand tenori-on and it's amazing!
I am trying to get it to control my micro but i bumped into the problem that the micro only recieves data on 1 midichannel at a time. Is there a solution to this?
The tenori-on could play 16 sequences at a time; each on 1 midichannel. I was hoping they could be any kind of data. So far i can only get it to send out pitch.
This could be the tenori, but i am hoping i am missing knowledge on the NM1 too.

So; This could probably be a very stupid question.
My sincere apologies in that case.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Don't know the tenori-on, but when it could send CC values you could use it to automate knobs in you patch.

When it is possible to restrict the sequences to certain note ranges you could maybe make patches with keyboard splits to get more than one sequence.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

keyboardsplit is a good idea!
i dont think it sends cc-values though.
but everyone who ows a tenorion is begging yamaha to implement this into the next update.

this is the chart btw;


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

so like in a lot of softwaresynths where you can assign single instruments/tracks to a single midichannel isnt possible with the NM1?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:20 am    Post subject: Re: tenori-on with NM1 Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

nathan wrote:
... I am trying to get it to control my micro but i bumped into the problem that the micro only recieves data on 1 midichannel at a time. Is there a solution to this? ...
The Micro has only one Slot, so it can be set to any Midi channel you like.
If you want it to react to more then one Midi chammel you'll have to merge to that particular Micro Midi channel.

Jan, - eh... Blue Hell Wink - is it possible to use MidiMod merging Midi? See attached picture...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've tried using MidiMod and it works in a way, only the MidiNotes are added to each other, so Note 60 played together with another Note 60 will result in one Note 120 Smile

Strangely enough using only the NL2's Arpeggiators MidiNotes stay the same, only mute when played almost at the same time. In this situation all NL Slots send on the same channel.

Another finding is when in MidiMod (or G2 Midi set-up) only one MidiNote value is used together with more Gates, only the MidiNote/Gate (e.g. channel 1) will sound, where the other Gates remain silent...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wout Blommers wrote:
I've tried using MidiMod and it works in a way, only the MidiNotes are added to each other, so Note 60 played together with another Note 60 will result in one Note 120 Smile


Cute Laughing

You could try to use multiple output modules all set to the same channel I guess? When you mix signals like you did they will indeed add up.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

nathan wrote:
i dont think it sends cc-values though.


Some apparently, but it doesn't look like flexible or something Crying or Very sad

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm , has been mentioned here before, looks like it could be useful here ... there are two versions I think a simpler and a more complex one?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
... You could try to use multiple output modules all set to the same channel I guess? When you mix signals like you did they will indeed add up.
I will do this, sometimes Smile
Anyway, when using a KeyQuantiser module in the NM it will be interesting what this 'add MidiNote' thingy can produce using the 4 NL2 Arpeggiators. (Or the ones in the G2)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks for your replies.
i gave up on the first idea.
i only own a mac, plus the sum of the cc's wouldnt really work i guess.

now i tried to hook up my tenori plus a doepfer pocketcontrol to the micro.
i did this through a newly bought midisolutions merger.
i was hoping the tenori could give the noteinfo and with the doepfer i could tweak the knobs. but no..
all the notes keep hanging or omething or like what wout had with the mentioned software midivalues are added up.

is what i want impossible?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:51 pm    Post subject: Re: tenori-on with NM1 Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

nathan wrote:
So; This could probably be a very stupid question.


Ok, that one has been answered sufficiently now, it's not a stupid question Laughing


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is what i want impossible?


Don't think it to be impossible, did you have a look at the midi solutions thingy?

A don't really see a role for a MIDI merger here ...

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You could look at other computer software that can do MIDI processing as well ... like Super Collider or ChucK - both are available for the Mac. Some programming would be involved then, but when doing e-music it never hurts to be able to do some programming.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ok. it works!
the only thing i had to do is switch the doepfer as the power supplying signal into the midimerger.

Jan> why dont you see a role for the midimerger here?
i want the pocketcontrol to control the knobs of the clavia and the tenori to give the noteinformation.
and this worked now.

the tenori is the "keyboard" and the doepfer does the rest of the tweaking.
yahoo!

now i want to save up for a DSI Mopho to fill another layer (midichannel) of the tenori.

(sorry, i am quite new with midi and this tenori-on is making it quite fun)
offcourse i could use all 16 channels of the tenori in a softwaresynth, but i dont have any)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
You could look at other computer software that can do MIDI processing as well ... like Super Collider or ChucK - both are available for the Mac. Some programming would be involved then, but when doing e-music it never hurts to be able to do some programming.

i understood Logic's Mainstage does the trick of triggering on different midichannels.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

nathan wrote:
Jan> why dont you see a role for the midimerger here?


Dunno .. just didn't see it, but when you do (and when it even works!) that's far more relevant Laughing Anyway reading your explanation, I probably just misunderstood your question, as it seems to make perfect sense now.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

omg i am such a sukkel! (and you were right jan)

the doepfer has a midithru offcourse. the midi-in of it allso works as a thru.
so i dont need the merger at all!

haha, guess i can sell it again rightaway.
so its just tenorion>doepferpc>NM1
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wout Blommers wrote:
I've tried using MidiMod and it works in a way, only the MidiNotes are added to each other, so Note 60 played together with another Note 60 will result in one Note 120 Smile
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Found out through a matrixsynth-post that a program called Noatikl can turn noteinfo into any cc-values. NICE!
http://www.intermorphic.com/tools/noatikl/index.html
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