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vtl5c3
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:06 pm Post subject:
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Thanks for your post and the redrawn schematic!
I guess there were three versions of the 230. I'd be interested in knowning what the differences are.
What you said about the signal levels that the 230 prefers makes sense to me. The audio path in the 200 series was line level. |
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Ricko
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:21 am Post subject:
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Anyone interested in seeing a contrasting approach, that can highlight what the Buchla EF is about, might care to look at the ARP 2600 EF. You can find it on page 11 of the ARP 2600 Service Manual that is available on the web.
It has a slightly similar dual diode arrangement on the input stage (no zener), however it has quite a few components dedicated to smoothing out the EF signal; in fact, it has four RC filters in series, followed by an LM301A with quite a high compensation capacitor (smooths out mid-upper audio range).
The Buchla has nothing like this. So perhaps we might say that the ARP is designed for legato envelope following, while the Buchla is designed for staccato. |
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Ricko
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:21 am Post subject:
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Just for the sake of obsessive research, I checked through the simple RC LPFs on a variety of other envelope followers. They all use simple LPF, nothing fancy.
PAIA 2720-11 EF has 1 stage 14Hz LPF.
Arp 2600 has four stage 59Hz LPF.
Roland 714 has three stages 30Hz, 30Hz and 60Hz LPF.
Roland 707 is 3x 28Hz LPF.
Emu modular EF has 50Hz LPF (from brochure.)
Korg MS-20 EF has just single 15.9Hz LPF after diode.
Electro harmonix Dr Q uses sim: 159Hz LPF.
Lovetone meatball lpf min 15.9Hz (attack) LPF.
The Roland 714 is their later more advanced model. It also has 3 RC filters on the input, fixed at 77, 40, and 18Hz HPF.
If you wanted to make a universal EF module, to kitchen-sink the various features, it would have
1) Mic pre-amp stage with senstitivy control
2) Input DC block cap and HPF RC
3) Active fullwave rectifier
4) LPF RC (multiple stages) including one variable pot for decay
5) Output buffer
6) Gate/trigger extractor
7) LED on input or output or gate
(The Buchla follows this general plan, but it has the zener and its fullwave rectifier is not the usual arrangement, with the decay control parallel to one of the rectifier diodes.) |
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:46 am Post subject:
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Playing with the Buchla in Spice, it really has a lot of bleed of (a sawtooth version of) the original signal especially for bass: maybe 10% of the output!
What is interesting is that adding a series of RC LPF filters before the second op-amp (like the Roland configuration) does not result in a smoothed signal the way you would expect: instead the bleedthrough signal seems to lock on to higher harmonics: in effect it is like a really high-Q low pass filter, with a sawtooth at the resonant frequency.
So for an EF that does not color, this is not the design! For an EF that takes unpitched or semi-pitched precussive sounds, this will be very snappy. |
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