Software Klee now available!

[dnigrin]

Just in case folks missed the preview thread about the software Klee that I developed - it is now available!

http://defectiverecords.com/klee

There's a free and quite functional demo available, and it supports both Mac and Windows. The full version is $40, a portion of which gets donated back to E-M. Developed with the assistance and advice of many Klee "veterans" including Scott Stites himself!

I'm gearing up to begin work on the next version, including new enhancements, so if you have suggestions, please post them! I'd also love to hear what people are doing with the software - so please post your work!

Thanks,

[fonik]

[dnigrin]

Thanks for your feedback Fonik - plugin hosting is definitely coming, as is CC control...

Dan

[KrIVIUM2323]

VstI Host would be a great feature... as for CC control could give (even more) insane sequences!

After playing a while with it i would suggest too:

A-B mode and some kind of transposition (octave minus mainly) control on the A+B output. It's possible to have it on my hardware synth anyway but having it on Software Klee Gui could be great and faster to perform.

If it is possible to implement some kind of midi CC outputs (in place of midi note output) and running 2 instance // (one for midi note and the other for CC) could lead to really weird things... For example with 'modifiers' section of Waldorf MWXT (for some lag works and process on CC flow) it should give awesome results.

But it must be a considerable amount of work i guess to add it... and with the need for 'post processing' of midi CC could interest a few owners ( except the ones with EMU samplers, Kurzwzeil samplers, Waldorf's synth and Nord Modulars are the only ones i think of...)

Dnigrin: I would like to thank you as this software give me clues on how i would use Klee and plan for control layout for my 'hardware Klee's' independently from the ability to drive midi synth easily which is wonderful.

Makes me wait a bit more to build them but for a more convenient ergonomical way that what i was thinking of in my first thoughs (i missed some features and how 'crucial'/important they are).

And it make my NM micro modular and Waldorf MWXT new ways of work! Great!

[dnigrin]

Thanks KrIVIUM2323,

A-B (and B-A) are on the list of feature requests already, yes.

Re: transposition, I'm also considered implementing multiple different Baseline Notes, one for each of the different outputs (A, B, A+B, etc..). This would give more flexibility than the current single Baseline Note.

Your idea of outputting MIDI CC is very interesting, and I will consider it, thanks!!

I really appreciate the feedback, thanks again.

[KrIVIUM2323]

Dan,

[dnigrin]

[dnigrin]

I thought I would give an update on where things stand with the new v2 version of the software - most of the new features I will include are coded, and now I am just wrestling with a few bugs and details, and then on to beta testing. I also have to fully update the docs. Here's the listing of what's coming in this version, as well as a few screenshots...

* new VST instrument hosting - route MIDI externally, or internally to virtual instruments (or mix of both)
* new A-B output
* LEDs to switches, for A, B, or A&B
* constrain output notes to specific scale
* output chord based on root note - user can specify up to 6 pitches in chord, plus root note
* can reverse direction to R to L, instead of L to R
* external load via MIDI or audio input
* MIDI CC control for virtually all UI controls




I plan to demo this version at the upcoming Analogue Heaven Northeast event on April 25: http://stretta.com/ahne/2010/

Also - one little tidbit that made my day: for the 80's Industrial fans out there, cEvin Key of Skinny Puppy is a software Klee user (and hardware too) - see his quote at http://defectiverecords.com/klee/index2.html

[seraph]

last night I downloaded the demo and tried connecting the IAC outputs to LMSO (my outstanding microtonal retuner) and everything seems to work perfectly fine for some weird microtonal sequencing environment so, I guess, I'll have to buy it (also because some money go back to electro-music.com)

[dnigrin]

Excellent - you'll probably have fun with the "constrain to scale" function of the upcoming version too (it will be a free update for existing users)....

[shagghie]

If you are able to port this to the iPad, you'll finally marry the best of both worlds...a tactile multitouch sequencer with the power/flexibility of software, on a cheap device that can be portable and/or mounted on a panel next to a modular, etc. Would recommend partnering with Line 6 to use their full MIDI hardware interface so that you could output from the Klee App to DIN MIDI. This is where everything is finally going..away from the mouse and untethered to our bulky towers and awkward laptops, and back to standalone musical devices. JUst looking at the Klee interface....it's PERFECT for an iPad port!!!


You might as well be the first to do this whole thing 'right' since you have the codebase, drive, following ,and interest of an entire community to springboard it into reality. Let me know how I can help...I know more than a few iPad OS developers....

[dnigrin]

Yeah, that would be cool, but the app is Max-based, so no iPad for now... But maybe if I brush up on my Objective C.....

[blue hell]

Or use RjDj maybe ... it uses PD it seems.

[dnigrin]

rjdj is not a full fledged pD environment on the iPhone; rather, it's a preset program built with pD, that allows for user input to tweak specific parameters... so it's not like a full fledged app could be with it, at least not the last time I looked...

[blue hell]

Ah ok ... I didn't spend time on it, just saying what I heard .. too bad.

[TonE]

Wouldn't it be better to keep the Klee sequencer MIDI only, rather than adding also Vsti hosting capabilities?

Maybe the fact that MaxMsp has an easy support for Vsti made you adding it? From my understanding Vsti host capabilities has really no big value for the sequencer itself, bringing only potential problems to the overall stability of the application. What do others think? I mean the MIDI clock sync is already there, so why inbuilt Vsti support?

On the other hand imo, any external midi control via CC or notes would be great: Usually any switch and toggle functions via notes and any range modification functions via CC. Presets could be called via program change events. Also preset storing should be possible via midi.

Is it possible to have a new version also without any Vsti support, for those who do not want to use them, but also do not want any extra unused risk in the application?

[dnigrin]

Thanks for the feedback - up until now, one of the most requested features *has* been VSTi support, so I was just responding to that. I can also attest to a personal desire to have an "all in one" app, rather than having to fire up both the Klee as well as another sound generating app. Obviously, this is not relevant when dealing with external MIDI hardware.

You do bring up a valid point though, as I can't tell you how much effort has gone in to adding support for VSTi's, and in general making the app an audio-outputting one, in addition to MIDI-outputting. Although Max does make it easy to add VSTi support at a basic level, making it do so *elegantly* and like most other apps on the market is *not* easy.

Re: making a version without VSTi support, I will consider it, but doubt that it will be there at initial release.

Finally, for remote MIDI control - the vast majority of the functions are CC-controlled, with a few exceptions that are note-controlled. Almost all of the UI is MIDI "learnable" - click on the desired function in the UI, move your controller knob/slider/switch, and the app will learn to attach that controller to that UI element. Again, this is non-trivial when dealing with Max, at least to have it behave like most other apps that are out there...

[TonE]

How is the new chord feature?

Is it similar as it is here: http://www.sequencer.de/synthesizer/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=43914

[TonE]

[dnigrin]

[fonik]

[dnigrin]

Thanks Fonik!

Also I realize I missed this post:

[TonE]

"Intelligent transposing or processing" of previously recorded/playing notes based on new chord input makes the result quite interesting. I suppose you could use the same chord input processing library even for the Klee sequencer?

Just simple/stupid shifting/transposing of whole patterns sounds to me often too unmusical/uninteresting.

[blue hell]

[dnigrin]

That's what I've done (it's not a simple pitchshifter). I'm using VJ Manzo's Modal Object Library:

http://www.vjmanzo.com/clients/vincemanzo/modal_change/