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OPA2134 vs. TL072
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 9:09 pm    Post subject: OPA2134 vs. TL072
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The OPA2134 (and OPA4134) coming from Burr-Brown have some really nice slew rates (20 vs. 15V/us), noise rejection (120db vs 70-80db), lower offset, much closer to rail outputs, etc. Has anyone had any problems using these as generic drop-in replacements for TL074, LF444, etc? Power might be a little more, but I'm looking at using these in all of my DIY modules to raise headroom (since I like lots of bass and lots of percussive transients).

Is there any thing to worry about before pulling the trigger on buying these? I know they are more expensive, but I figure if it adds maybe $2 to the cost of a module, that's in the noise considering how much everything else costs!
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Have you got hissing in your ears yet? I have, so I always use any opamp I have. Selective bad hearing can come in handy!!
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 11:06 am    Post subject: Re: OPA2134 vs. TL072
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jksuperstar wrote:
The OPA2134 (and OPA4134) coming from Burr-Brown have some really nice slew rates (20 vs. 15V/us), noise rejection (120db vs 70-80db), lower offset, much closer to rail outputs, etc. Has anyone had any problems using these as generic drop-in replacements for TL074, LF444, etc? Power might be a little more, but I'm looking at using these in all of my DIY modules to raise headroom (since I like lots of bass and lots of percussive transients).

Is there any thing to worry about before pulling the trigger on buying these? I know they are more expensive, but I figure if it adds maybe $2 to the cost of a module, that's in the noise considering how much everything else costs!


For the record, I still have a little hearing left, so when I changed the opamps out in the audio path of my pro one to opa2124's I could definitely hear an increase in detail. I thought the investment was worth it. Because of that I actually purchased more of them (opa2132 & '34s) so I could use them in some current projects.

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks Jim, from what I hear, it looks like there's no problem, and going through the effort of a full DIY modular, I'd like to do it right, ONCE. Seems like even if there's some modules that have problems or need some tuning, it's worth going for the OPA's over the TL opamps.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

When I swapped out a crappy opamp in a synsonics drum machine for an OPA2134 the increase in detail was staggering, makes me want to change all the audio opamps in my modular, it was definately worth the effort.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Remember, sometimes bad slew rate is a design consideration and better opamps could yield unpredictable results.
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I used an OPA2604 for my drum modules mixer. I think that have been a good replacement for the TL074. Maybe the tl074 are worse than opa2604 at least for summing stages.
I can't tell the difference because I 've never made a test changing the ic and hearing. But i can say that it's working as it should.

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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mistercooper wrote:
Remember, sometimes bad slew rate is a design consideration and better opamps could yield unpredictable results.


Absolutely, however, I don't see why anyone would want to keep an opamp with bad slew rates in audio mixing applications unless they are specifically looking for/want distortion/coloration (assuming additional current draw is not a problem).

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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Absolutely, however, I don't see why anyone would want to keep an opamp with bad slew rates in audio mixing applications unless they are specifically looking for/want distortion/coloration (assuming additional current draw is not a problem).


Impressive specifications BTW for the "Sound Plus" series. I had these data sheets sitting in my notebook for some time.

Anyhow, I think what was meant by the comment about slew rate being a design consideration is this. I know that some data bus drivers that I use for lower speed serial communications (12 kb/s ARINC 429) are slew rate limited. This prevents the device from either oscillating and increases noise immunity. same is true for audio operational amplifiers. They are purposely frequency compensated to prevent these sorts of problems.

You would not want to, for example, use an amplifier with a GBW product of 150 MHz for audio applications.

The TL054 is a good lower noise alternative for the TL074.

It's also common practice to use single op-amp packages TL071) to prevent crosstalk among the various amplifiers on the same chip die.
Really critical amplifier paths should use single operational amplifiers. This of course is debatable for some folks. I would say a good choice for this would be the OP134 for the really critical audio paths.


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