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Why Can't a VCA just be an opamp
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:44 am    Post subject: Why Can't a VCA just be an opamp Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Why am I seeing transconductance amplifiers being used for VCAs? Ie the CA3280 (that is now obsolete) - I'm looking at the Prophet 5 voice circuit. Since it says voltage control, a standard opamp already is voltage controlled.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

A transconductance amplifier is a multiplier, in that it multiplies one signal by another (or put differently, one signal determines the amplification factor of the other, and when that one signal is a voltage .. it is a VCA).

An opamp can multiply a signal by a constant value only.

Now when you'd change that constant an opamp could do the trick too .. but it is not so easy to do that in a precise way. An OTA otoh is pretty precise in what it does.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I am curious how you would like to do that since you'd have to control the gain.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The OTA is the best way to make a VCA. It provides lower distortion than other methods. One way to make a non-OTA VCA is to make a voltage divider using an FET and use the gate voltage to modulate the amplitude. An opamp would then provide gain after the divider. Another might be to put a FET into the feedback loop of an opamp serving as an amplifer. These methods that are less than optimal often came about because the better methods were already patented. These alternative methods aren't necessarily bad though, sometimes the right kind of distortion sounds good which then becomes part of the device's character.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Can't a VCA just be an opamp Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ees3dc wrote:
Why am I seeing transconductance amplifiers being used for VCAs? Ie the CA3280 (that is now obsolete) - I'm looking at the Prophet 5 voice circuit. Since it says voltage control, a standard opamp already is voltage controlled.

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An opamp is not really "voltage controlled". The supply voltages just provide limits, not multiplication of gain.

You could take a rail-to-rail opamp and use the supply voltages to dynamically limit the inputs, I guess, but that is not the function needed for VCAs.


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(IIRC OTAs are usually not voltage controlled either, but current controlled. No big deal.)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Another possibility would be a vactrol in the feedback resistor position.

But to answer the OP on a broader level, it's because ain't nothing useful ever come easy.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Can't a VCA just be an opamp Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ees3dc wrote:
a standard opamp already is voltage controlled.


No, it isn't. Not in the sense that a voltage-controlled filter is voltage controlled.

An OTA on the other hand has an "Iabc" current input that *can* control the gain, and it's not that hard to turn voltages into currents, so the OTA can be turned into a proper VCA. That's not a trick you can pull off with a basic op-amp.

If it was, we'd have tried it before now!

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