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fetideye



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 7:18 am    Post subject: touch control
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I want to add touch control for the volume of my lunetta oscillators.

I was thinking to use DIY vactrols for gain control in combination with a cd4069 or 4049,
The touch pad would turn on the LED and if there would be a decay control, that would be nice.

What would be a good way to do this?

This is my progress so far:
https://tinyurl.com/yn6vcsn6
better one?
https://tinyurl.com/yqcgg3ae
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'd say you're pretty much there.

For the touch switches I've been experimenting with the little red ones that are all over ebay/amazon etc based on the ttp223 chip (thanks to Phobos for this tip there's a thread on it https://electro-music.com/forum/topic-73837.html)

Here's a random ebay link but as I said they're easy to track down in several quantities:

https://tinyurl.com/4jw5r3v3

They're self calibrating and plug and play - straight out of the box (although I am working at 5v) they produce a momentary logic high when touched.

I've actually got a similar 'vactrol controlled amplitude' hooked up which is based roughly on Nicolas Collins vactrol tutorials (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyQMvSLTC4Q)

I chose an LDR with an insanely large dark resistance (2M I think) and set up a fading LED circuit similar to your falstad link - although mine has attack and decay.

I think you'd just have to fire up the transistor switch with the little red touch pad - perhaps buffer it ?

For the 'audio' side I buffered the signal going in (square wave from a 4093 type oscillator) using a 4049 (4069 here, but 4049 is what I had https://hackaday.com/2015/03/09/logic-noise-sawing-away-with-analog-waveforms/ )

and I found a diode facing the LDR on the way in made for complete silence (because of the voltage drop?) when the LDR/LED combination was dark.

I even found that a capacitor to ground after the LDR gives a crude low pass gate type sound.

Does that make sense? I'm afraid I never drew a proper schematic up, just my scribbing in a notebook.


But...if you don't want to go the vactrol way and you're only processing lunetta square waves there's a psuedo VCA on the hackaday series (https://hackaday.com/2015/04/10/logic-noise-more-cmos-cowbell/) although I've never tried it myself. I think you just need to trigger it from the touch pad output at the right point (where his schematic says 'square wave in'?)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks!

I'll look into those capacitive sensors. It would be cool te know the schematic of those, to integrate it on my panel
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:40 am    Post subject: Re: touch control
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fetideye wrote:
I want to add touch control for the volume of my lunetta oscillators.

I was thinking to use DIY vactrols for gain control in combination with a cd4069 or 4049,
The touch pad would turn on the LED and if there would be a decay control, that would be nice.

What would be a good way to do this?

This is my progress so far:
https://tinyurl.com/yn6vcsn6
better one?
https://tinyurl.com/yqcgg3ae


Are you trying to make a touch gate/trigger, or do you want for it to be pressure sensitive?

Here are simple touch gates that output a positive logic signal when touched.

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Combine that with a simple envelope generator and "VCA" like these.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks, these are helpful
I'll try 'm out!

I'm looking for touch gate / triggers to control the volume of the drone synth (several channels of tuned (and chopped up) triangle waves, so it is not a squarewave or digital source.
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