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AngusHastie
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:10 pm Post subject:
Toggle on/off switch... Subject description: ...using a momentary note-on footswitch? |
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I want to use a midi footpedal (which sends a momentary midi note-on) to toggle a sequence patch on and off. Anyone know the best way to build a simple toggle switch that responds to the keyboard gate and can be used for this sort of thing?
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Antimon
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AngusHastie
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:08 am Post subject:
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oh, of course, yes, that's the answer - cc rather than note-on. thanks |
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AngusHastie
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:33 am Post subject:
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Problem - if I assign a midi control # to a toggling switch, sending the control value (from an FCB1010 control pedal) only switches the switch on but does not toggle it on and off
How can I get it to behave as a toggle rather than just an on signal? |
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Tim Kleinert
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jksuperstar

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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:10 pm Post subject:
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Instead of the switch in Tim's patch, you could also use the MIDI CtlRecv module. Then use the "Recv" output, not the value output. No matter what value is sent on the pedal, the toggle with flip between on<->off with each press.
I like this method, because it makes it easy to program the FCB, and allows me to use the same FCB patch for multiple G2 patches, without worrying about exact CC values as well as CC#'s.
Also, the FCB can toggle between two values itself, if you have EEPROM version 2.2 or later (I think). I have 2.4 right now, and the toggle feature is there. However, it is much easier to put the modules in the G2 than it is to program the FCB  |
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AngusHastie
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:01 pm Post subject:
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Thanks!
I presume you mean that you replace the momentary switch with a control receive module, linked to a flip flop like in Tim's patch?
Also, can you download new software for the FCB?
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deknow

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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:58 pm Post subject:
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...also, the fcb1010 can send alternating cc value on each press of the same button. this is good for toggling!
you can download os updates for the 1010, and there are also some "user modified" os which looks quite useful with the nord. the best place to find this stuff is on the fcb1010 yahoogroup.
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deknow

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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:59 pm Post subject:
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jk, i should have read your post more carefully so as not to repeate what you said.
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blue hell
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:11 pm Post subject:
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deknow wrote: | .the best place to find this stuff is on the fcb1010 yahoogroup. |
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/ _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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AngusHastie
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:18 am Post subject:
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thanks, all. I'm still surprised that the Toggle Switch doesn't...well...toggle! I would have expected it just to change its state with each high signal received, but there you go...I'm sure there's some perfectly good reason. |
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jamos

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jksuperstar

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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:52 pm Post subject:
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There are two types of switches: the momentary and the toggle. In theory, you should be able to set the toggle type switch to a CC messege, and each time it gets sent a non-zero value, the switch should toggle. It may be worth looking into whether it reacts to specific values, or just the fact a CC# was sent (just like the Rcv output from the ctlsend module).
The program you have in the FCB might also be doing something funky, like sending high value when pressed, and low value when depressed. I never dove too deep into the FCB to know everything it could do, just what I needed. But you might try a MIDI Monitor such as the one in MIDIOX, to actually see what messeges the FCB is sending out. |
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blue hell
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:56 pm Post subject:
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jksuperstar wrote: | There are two types of switches: the momentary and the toggle. In theory, you should be able to set the toggle type switch to a CC messege, and each time it gets sent a non-zero value, the switch should toggle. |
But that's not what it does ... it is off for a zero CC value and on for a non-zero value. Well, AFAIK.
The momentary switch gives a short pulse-like connection when the CC value goes from zero to above zero, the CC value has to drop to zero again to make it re-firable.
No idea why its called a toggle switch, probably for its button action; one press on. a next press off. But the thing that toggles is the button then and not the switch ...
There seems to be room for a third type of switch or a settable option on an existing one, the true-toggle. But the circuits proposed so far will do the trrick of course.
Funny though, I never would have thought it works in a non-logical way .. the way it does ... _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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