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Derek Cook
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:48 am Post subject:
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Hi,
I'm still getting to grips with this excellent synth and I am hoping some of the G2 gurus can give me some pointers.
My band are about to learn "Life's Been Good" by Joe Walsh, and I need to recreate the synth sound in the middle of the song that plays just before and during the guitar solo.
The most I've found out about it so far on the web is that it was an ARP 2500 with "resonant filter effects". I've messed about with some existing G2 patches, but so far haven't even come remotely close.
Does anybody have an idea of what would be a good starting point for getting this synth sound in the G2 engine? My ears aren't that good at listening to a synth sound and instantly picking out all the things that make it up unless it's really obvious!
I'm of course more than happy to share the results with the community once its nailed. |
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Tusker
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject:
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Do you have a snippet of the sound. It will make it easier for many of us to help you.
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Derek Cook
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:50 pm Post subject:
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Thanks, But I'm not sure of the legalities of posting a snippet, not wanting to get the forum into trouble?
Is posting a snippet OK? |
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mosc
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject:
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Please don't post a snippet of Joe Walsh's music on our site. We do not have a licence to host copyrighted music. _________________ --Howard
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seraph
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:32 pm Post subject:
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mosc wrote: | Please don't post a snippet of Joe Walsh's music on our site |
...or we'll be forced to bomb your embassy _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
Quote: | Don't die with your music still in you - Wayne Dyer |
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deknow
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject:
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hmmmm, if i posted an mp3 of an original patch to replicate the sound, would it be copyright infringment (like posting an unlicensed cover)?
btw, my recolection is that this was originally done on an arp odyssey. i believe it is a sample and hold thing, which must mean they did it once, and dubbed it over and over (as the s&h would not repeat itself as it does in the song). i'll try to put somethihg together later.
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elektro80
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:23 pm Post subject:
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seraph wrote: | mosc wrote: | Please don't post a snippet of Joe Walsh's music on our site |
...or we'll be forced to bomb your embassy |
WOT? No flag burning?
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deknow
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djfoxyfox
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:09 am Post subject:
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deknow wrote: | hmmmm, if i posted an mp3 of an original patch to replicate the sound, would it be copyright infringment (like posting an unlicensed cover)? | No, not at all. In this case, you are playing neither the actual, original sound recording nor the song, hence, no infringement. However, if you use your original sound to play the song and then post the song anywhere (like on the internet), then you are infringing on the copyright of the song... not because of the sound, but because you're performing the song. There are protections for (1) the composition and (2) the sound recording of the composition. Do not confuse these. _________________ Bill Fox------------------|\-------------
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deknow
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:03 am Post subject:
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bill, generally i totally agree. in this case, that synth lick is solo'd in the middle of the song, and it could be argued (i think) that my mp3 would be "an excerpt from the song"....a paralell might be the signature riff from "smoke on the water"...playing that lick _is_ playing part of the song.
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djfoxyfox
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:15 am Post subject:
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deknow wrote: | bill, generally i totally agree. in this case, that synth lick is solo'd in the middle of the song, and it could be argued (i think) that my mp3 would be "an excerpt from the song"....a [parallel] might be the signature riff from "smoke on the water"...playing that lick _is_ playing part of the song. | Of course. But if you don't play the lick, then you're not playing the song, or any portion thereof. The sound you use, therefore, becomes totally removed from both the song's copyright and the recording's copyright and you're in the clear. _________________ Bill Fox------------------|\-------------
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Derek Cook
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cappy2112
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject:
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mosc wrote: | Please don't post a snippet of Joe Walsh's music on our site. We do not have a licence to host copyrighted music. |
Is it ok to post a link here, which points to another website which actually contains the mp3? |
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cappy2112
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject:
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Derek Cook wrote: | Hi,
I'm still getting to grips with this excellent synth and I am hoping some of the G2 gurus can give me some pointers.
My band are about to learn "Life's Been Good" by Joe Walsh, and I need to recreate the synth sound in the middle of the song that plays just before and during the guitar solo.
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Derek
Try posing this question (without the actual mp3 attachment) to the Analog Heaven mailing list.
Google for analogue heaven, and you should find some info on subbing. If not, send me a PM.
Many questions of this nature have been posted there. |
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deknow
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:53 pm Post subject:
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...the original sound was _not_ made by playing the keyboard, but was done with the sample/hold module, and i presume (as i said before) was "looped" in the studio.
fyi, from http://www.synthtech.com/users.html
Quote: | Rock icon Joe Walsh has recently taken delivery of his 28 module system. Most people would not suspect that Joe studied electronics in college, and his hobby is restoring pre-1960 ham radios. His studio has many vintage synths, including a Moog 15, MemoryMoog, Juno-106 and the ARP Odyssey that played the famous sequence on "Life's Been Good To Me So Far". Maybe a new MOTM riff on the next Eagles CD? |
bill, of course you are correct in general, but in this case, the "sound" is really also a sequence. certainly the original patch was "self playing", so an original patch that replicates this is probably technically a "cover". (to be more precise, the original patch played an unrepeating pattern...in the recording, it was trimmed to 2 bars) i don't think this is a big deal, but i'm not sure you are correct in this case (you may be, i only play a lawer on the internet). a paralell might be the synth part from "babba oriely" by the who.....the patch itself _is_ a sequence.
actually, this is kind of an interesting discussion (at least to me). the evolver has a "sweet dreams" preset (eurhythmics) which is pretty authentic (including the drums). if a "patch" is partly defined by a sequence (as in these examples...certainly the "sweet dreams" patch is very differant if you take out the sequencers and play it with a keyboard), then any patch that seeks to "replicate" the original (even if using differant techniques) must have a similar sequence, making it (in my mind) a cover. although the "patch programing" is unique, the "pattern" (which is part of the sound) is copywriten.
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cappy2112
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:16 am Post subject:
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deknow wrote: | ...the original sound was _not_ made by playing the keyboard, but was done with the sample/hold module, and i presume (as i said before) was "looped" in the studio.
>>bill, of course you are correct in general, but in this case, the "sound" >>is really also a sequence. certainly the original patch was "self playing",
>>the who.....the patch itself _is_ a sequence.
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Sounds like you're trying to say noodle, without actually saying it |
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deknow
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:31 am Post subject:
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mmm, i specifically avoided saying noodle. to me, a self playing sampleandhold patch is a simple system. noodles seem much more dynamic to me. i don't think anyone has posted a "noodle" that is this simple to em.
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Tusker
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:30 am Post subject:
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I'm sorry for suggesting something inappropriate in my ignorance.
mosc wrote: | Please don't post a snippet of Joe Walsh's music on our site. We do not have a licence to host copyrighted music. |
Jerry |
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cappy2112
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:37 am Post subject:
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Tusker wrote: | I'm sorry for suggesting something inappropriate in my ignorance.
mosc wrote: | Please don't post a snippet of Joe Walsh's music on our site. We do not have a licence to host copyrighted music. |
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is 10 seconds of a copyrighted track inappropriate?
How about 3 seconds?
Does the law draw the line anywhere reasonable? |
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elektro80
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:52 am Post subject:
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cappy2112 wrote: | Tusker wrote: | I'm sorry for suggesting something inappropriate in my ignorance.
mosc wrote: | Please don't post a snippet of Joe Walsh's music on our site. We do not have a licence to host copyrighted music. |
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is 10 seconds of a copyrighted track inappropriate?
How about 3 seconds?
Does the law draw the line anywhere reasonable? |
No, there is no limit as such. If the piece can be recognised or if it is identified it is a violation. In most cases it would also be a violation even if you had say mangled the piece beyond recognition or whatever. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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mosc
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:34 am Post subject:
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It is especially dangerous if one identifies a snippet. If you post something and say "this is a snippet of Joe Walsh's music", then it is clear and unambiguous. Such a thing could be picked up by a search engine.
If you compose a track and your recording includes a short snippet you steal from someone else then that's illegal for sure, but if you don't point it out it may never be observed. _________________ --Howard
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