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RemixRick
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 Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:00 am Post subject:
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Hello,
Does anyone who sold their G1 to get the cash to buy the G2 miss their G1? I ask because I've seen a couple of posts lately where people were looking for G1's. And they sure aren't cheap on eBay!
So I thought I would ask those of you who have owned both, or still do, to offer your opinion on whether the G2 has made the G1 completely obsolete or not. When the G2 was announced it appeared that it would supersede the G1 in every possible way. But that may have just been the marketeers talking. How did it actually turn out?
Putting it another way, if you owned a G2 with the expansion board or a G2X and had the money to buy another synth, would you purchase a G1, a G2 engine, or perhaps something completely different to round out your sound? |
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Fozzie
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Although there are people here with very different ideas on this subject, I don't miss my micromodular at all. Everything I did on it was bigger, better, easier and prettier on the G2 (*can I be a marketeer now?*). No seriously, I don't miss it. But then again, I am not a hardcore synth-head; I love to (ab)use my G2 for all kinds of weird experiments and live external audio processing. Not too much classic synth sounds for me, and not too much dance/trance/technoish stuff either (I admit to secretly fooling around with those kinds of sounds occasionally though  )
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monobass
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I turned my G1 on once after I'd bought the G2. I've sold it now, it made it instantly obselete for me.
The G2 isn't better in every sense, I still miss the spectral oscillators for example... but not enough to turn the G1 on again!
Comparing a G1 with an expanded G2 almost seems pointless to me.
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Not yet... the Nm1 is the biggest competitor for the G2...
especially because the machines are not patch compatible..
Ok..thats about to change wright now...
Clavia also missed to give the G2 a clear sonical advantage...
At least i dont consider a reverb module a sonical advantage.
More on the other side..they streamlined the module set and eliminated the sweet spectral oscillator...
But... we only have version 1.4... the Nm is 3.03...
So just one update can change this completly...basically the 2 machines sound the same..its just about modules and dsp fine tuning.
The G2 gives however a superiour handling..its a live modular...
the nm1 is not good for stage use..there the micro is much better...
when you dont have a master keyboard controller you better dont try to change patches on all 4 slots with the nm1 on stage...
absolutly uncomfortable and difficult to handle in stress situations...
So actually if you compare the 2 machines you have to compare the nm1 with the engine... everything else is no fair comparison..this little 2 octave keayboard and some anonym knobs you can get for little money everywhere theese days..with or without audiointerface...
so actually the NM1 racks will be the most requested modells of the old nm1 series... often racks get more expensiv as keyboards when an model is off the market.
However..when you compare the price of a NM1 rack with the price of an engine the nm1 gets more and more expensiv in relation..we are allmost at 1:1 by now when you subtract the taxes and so...
If clavia continues to develop the G2 the NM1 price will drop...
because of the converter some people might go for a 1U engine instead keeping theire Nm1...
So..if you plan to sell your Nm1...you better dont wait too long...
or keep it.
Because..a modular synth is somehow never obsolete...
The Nm1 is sweet...
So the G2 cant make it osbsolete..it just can drop its price, as it allready did..and probably will do again. |
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lepathy
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:38 am Post subject:
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| 3phase wrote: | the nm1 is not good for stage use..there the micro is much better...
when you dont have a master keyboard controller you better dont try to change patches on all 4 slots with the nm1 on stage...
absolutly uncomfortable and difficult to handle in stress situations... |
I don't follow at all why you think the nm1 isn't good for live use - I use it live with no problems at all. Changing programs in slots on a nm1 is no different than doing it on a Nord Lead. Why would a micro be better? |
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Chet
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:39 am Post subject:
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| Because the G2 wasn't patch-compatible with the G1, I kept my G1 around for a while. But when I found myself using it less and less, I eventually sold it. So for me, the G2 made the G1 obsolete. |
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3phase
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| lepathy wrote: | | 3phase wrote: | the nm1 is not good for stage use..there the micro is much better...
when you dont have a master keyboard controller you better dont try to change patches on all 4 slots with the nm1 on stage...
absolutly uncomfortable and difficult to handle in stress situations... |
I don't follow at all why you think the nm1 isn't good for live use - I use it live with no problems at all. Changing programs in slots on a nm1 is no different than doing it on a Nord Lead. Why would a micro be better? |
Thats the same as on the nord lead dont makes it good ,or?
The G2 has something called performance mode...
And it works like that...
The micro has a performance mode in itself..even just one dsp...its in a permanent performance mode and its 3 knobs have allways a very heavy impact...
you can have the same on the nm1x4 of cause....
and i used and use it live...but i dont often change patterns there..
the step thru of the micro is just the thing that helps on stage..
the good old program up/prog down footswitch...
actually with the G2 you can patch something to control the Nm1 in that way  |
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lepathy
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:23 am Post subject:
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| 3phase wrote: | | lepathy wrote: | | 3phase wrote: | the nm1 is not good for stage use..there the micro is much better...
when you dont have a master keyboard controller you better dont try to change patches on all 4 slots with the nm1 on stage...
absolutly uncomfortable and difficult to handle in stress situations... |
I don't follow at all why you think the nm1 isn't good for live use - I use it live with no problems at all. Changing programs in slots on a nm1 is no different than doing it on a Nord Lead. Why would a micro be better? |
Thats the same as on the nord lead dont makes it good ,or?
The G2 has something called performance mode...
And it works like that...
The micro has a performance mode in itself..even just one dsp...its in a permanent performance mode and its 3 knobs have allways a very heavy impact...
you can have the same on the nm1x4 of cause....
and i used and use it live...but i dont often change patterns there..
the step thru of the micro is just the thing that helps on stage..
the good old program up/prog down footswitch...
actually with the G2 you can patch something to control the Nm1 in that way |
I think I was able to parse that.
I just use a sequencer to call up programs - this is too easy maybe?
If I wanted a footswitch to call programs, I would just use something like puredata as an interface between the two. |
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dasz
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| _ Steve _ wrote: | | I turned my G1 on once after I'd bought the G2. I've sold it now, it made it instantly obselete for me. |
This exact same thing (including how many times I turned Papa Nord (G1) on after I got the G2) happened here. I don't miss the spectral oscs, but I do miss the filter bank a little.
The quality of my patches in Papa Nord (G1) is nowhere to the quality of what I've done in the G2. The way I look at it Papa Nord was a learning tool. The G2 is a working tool.
And now with qfinger's converter, I can import the few hundred patches I made in the old days to see what I can use.
I reckon the G1 prices ought to drop now -- with the converter being available making the upgrade path to the G2 for some folks a lot easier.
/Dasz |
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monobass
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| dasz wrote: | | The way I look at it Papa Nord was a learning tool. The G2 is a working tool. |
I feel exactly the same way.. but I'm still getting excited about the fantastic NM converter work going on.. would love to mutate and do variations of some of my NM patches.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:04 am Post subject:
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The way I see it both the NM-1 and the G2 are basically the same product idea, but the actual implementation of ideas is slightly different. I don´t see the G2 as an update or a real improvement of the NM-1, but rather as a new go at the same product idea. However, the G2 is more "modern", it has more features and stuff. The NM-1 is still a perfectly decent instrument and I really don´t think the idea of it being obsolete is valid.
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An entertaining experiment is to consider how YOU would update/improve/solve the G series product idea. This means you will have to consider all sorts of different issues, not only mere G-2 bugfixes and similar issues.
Anyone?
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:44 am Post subject:
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| elektro80 wrote: | | The way I see it both the NM-1 and the G2 are basically the same product idea, but the actual implementation of ideas is slightly different. I don´t see the G2 as an update or a real improvement of the NM-1, but rather as a new go at the same product idea. However, the G2 is more "modern", it has more features and stuff. The NM-1 is still a perfectly decent instrument and I really don´t think the idea of it being obsolete is valid. |
I thought you didn't actually use the nord mods? Or am I confusing you with someone else?
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I have the NM-1. I have had excellent access too a G2 and and a g2 engine.
I love the NM-1 and I just might be interested in picking up more NM.1s, some micros and racks.
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| elektro80 wrote: | I have the NM-1. I have had excellent access too a G2 and and a g2 engine.
I love the NM-1 and I just might be interested in picking up more NM.1s, some micros and racks. |
hmmm 
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I am actually using the NM-1 as a substitution for an old DIY Formant thingie/a Roland System 100m rig, some System 700 cabinets and some other stuff.
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| Quote: | | Putting it another way, if you owned a G2 with the expansion board or a G2X and had the money to buy another synth, would you purchase a G1, a G2 engine, or perhaps something completely different to round out your sound? |
Go for something else, otherwise you'll never escape the clutches of the modulars --- in my case a DSI evolver has filled in a very important gap that a G2/NM1 would never fill...
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RemixRick
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| dasz wrote: |
Go for something else, otherwise you'll never escape the clutches of the modulars --- in my case a DSI evolver has filled in a very important gap that a G2/NM1 would never fill...
/Dasz |
Hi Dasz,
I applaud Dave Smith for having the ability and balls to bring a hardware synth to the market, and at a great price point. When you have a moment, please tell me about the gap that the evolver fills in your music.
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it forces me to patch less and tweak more. it adds a character/tone that I cannot get in the G2 (analog filter/great distortion & feedback)
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