Nord G2 - Discontinued

[TEMAS]

Well, after 10 years of NM1 use, today I decided I would finally buy a G2. But I called Turnkey only to discover the whole range has been discontinued. [Edit - This is the information I have been given from one salesman; I apologise if he has been mis-informed].

Anyone have any news on this? Is this a small update or do you think there's a G3 to be announced at AES (5th-8th Oct)? Please don't tell me there'll be no more Modular - in which case I need to start making calls to see if I can find one.

[dorremifasol]

Where did you get that info? The only G2 models that has have been discontinued recently are the G2X and the Nord Lead / Rack 3, but the G2 and G2 engine are still in production. There is an update planned also.

There will be a Nord Wave soon to replace the Nord Lead 3, but I don't think that the G2 will be replaced soon with a new model.

[TEMAS]

The salesman at the store who I spoke to said,

'...on my screen it says we are not taking any more orders on the G2, G2X or the G2 Engine, so it looks like it has been discontinued or being updated....'

I have since then, spoken to 2 other stores. One said, they are not keeping stock of these products but we can still get hold of the G2 Engine. The other said that the G2 keyboard is no longer available, but they can still get the G2 Engine.

I haven't got time for all this now. Sorry if I've started a rumour, which is not true. I think I'll wait 'til AES and see if there's an announcement.

[Ivity]

I was at local Clavia distributor yesterday - all was fine, G2s are selling

[G2DREAM]

http://www.thomann.de/gr/search_dir.html?sw=clavia+g2&x=0&y=0

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[blue hell]

[Seven seas]

Hello - I had to speak to Clavia's UK distributors about G2 two or three weeks ago. I wanted to know if repairs were easy (as I was about to buy a G2) First of all they said that the G2 was discontinued - he thought. But he said he'd give Clavia a call and ring me back - which he did. What he had been told by Clavia themselves was that the G2X had been discontinued but NOT the G2.

That's my best effort!

Hope it's helpful. You could give Handinhand (Clavia's UK distributors) a call. They were very helpful to me - rang back in 10 minutes with all the answers to my questions and were very patient and pleasant.

[TEMAS]

Yeah, I did actually try calling Hand in Hand before I posted here, but there was no answer - it just kept ringing. I then emailed them and still have had no response.

You must admit, it's strange for Turnkey not to be taking orders - maybe its a mistake on their system.

I was really up for just going out and buying it today; now I don't know what to think. Of course, Clavia have no obligation to disclose the release dates of any future updates to their hardware, so even if Hand in Hand say G2 is still available, there's still every chance that an update could be on the near horizon. But thats the risk you've got to take I guess.

[Seven seas]

Hello - I remember that I wanted to speak to them a week or so after my first call and that time I just got the engaged tone for about an hour and a half before I gave up. I did get the distinct impression that the 'phone was "off the hook". Which surprised me, given my previous experience. Tried again the next day and got an answer straight away - very helpful again. Not sure what happened there but if you do want to get them it might be worth another crack.

As you suggest - Handinhand may not know, or be allowed to tell, everything but I reckon they're the closest thing to Clavia's earthly representative in these parts, short of learning Swedish and digging up a Stockholm 192!

My experience of Turnkey has been more of the opposite slant really - very reluctant to admit there's ANYTHING they can't supply....all very mysterious.

'bye.

[Wout Blommers]

[iPassenger]

[gurk]

Turnkey are no longer stocking Clavia products.

This has something to do with the relationship between Hand in Hand and Turnkey.

Hand in Hand are the sole distributor for Clavia in the UK.

I heard the disagreement has to do with Hand in Hand selling direct to consumers.


Long live Clavia!

[Wout Blommers]

So it's the same old story again.

The dealer is the one who has contact with the costumer. He is the specialist concerning advise, support and all. In case of the Nord Modular (not the other synths) the dealer drops a few things of that part. Most sales men don't know what the synth can do, neither does the costumer, so the synth is not selling well. Those costumers who know their thing don't need the dealer at all, so they turn to the distributor, who can deliver much better and cheaper then the dealer. But it isn't a wise thing to do, specially not for the distributor, looking at the text above.

Here in The Netherlands we have a much better system in the triangle distributor > dealer > costumer (> distributor). When the costumer and the dealer come to an agreement, the distributor gives a discount to the dealer and costumer and everybody is happy. The dealer doesn't have the full profit of the sale, but he also didn't give all the advises he normally has to give.

To the professional and semi-professional costumer this is a rather good working system. He doesn't need all the fancy blah-blah if the synth can make that particular hit scoring sound or not. He knows. He needs a good support. He needs to play the synth in the shop to get an idea of its capabilities. We can't all go to Frankfurt each year

To the dealer it works well because he will make some money and that's why he started his shop in the first place, which is also the case to the distributor.

It's an old Dutch way of making busyness: how can we all make some profit?

Wout

[Jason]

Yes Buyer Beware.
I always like to do a great deal of research prior to purchase, even if it means contacting local distribution. Dealing with dealers can be tricky at times, depending of course.

[doctorno]

Before I bought my NM G2 keyboard a few months ago I have written to Clavia and they told me that only the G2x was discontinued, while the G2 keyboard and engine are still in production. Nevertheless I have also experienced several dealers in Germany not stocking the G2 anymore, because they say that (sadly) the demand for the G2 is not big enough.

[Wout Blommers]

[cappy2112]

[dorremifasol]

From my point of view the problem is that the G2 has ZERO support from Clavia. The only source of material for it is this forum and the fellows who write great patches for the G2. It's a forgotten synthesizer.

The Virus TI for example has got lots of updates and it still has them from time to time, people still sees it as an up to date synthesizer.

My humble opinion of course...

[cappy2112]

[dorremifasol]

2 years ago

[Wout Blommers]

The strange thing is the Nord Modular (Classic and G2) is in fact Clavia's love-baby. They all want to work on it, because as a designer you can put a lot of idea's in it. It only doesn't sell that well... The developers has to work on more profit able projects, like the C3.

I still think it's the dealer which doesn't want to make any efforts to sell it better.

Wout

[cappy2112]

[Wout Blommers]

Tony, I wish this was true...
Most buyers of second hand Clavia synths still ask support from Clavia. Changing the platform will force Clavia to tell they don't know what is wrong with it. That's very bad marketing, so better not to let third parties to get their hands on the synths.

Wout

[Kassen]

Not sure about that, where has that happened for other companies that opened the source to their product, then left it to be developed by the the community?

The G2 is just a hardware platform, I know that if I run into issues with software I mail the developer of the software, not Intel or AMD. Just look at yourself, say your text editor suddenly changes all text for files with a .bat extension to become green and three pixels high, would you mail the people who build the computer? Without looking, do you even know what company build it? Of course not, you mail the people who wrote the application.

A few years ago there were may types of computer; Comodores, Ataris, Apples and IBM's. IBM was the one to open their hardware and so that's the one that's still being used by everyone, all of the other one's (like Comodore and Atari) have disapeared, switched markets or like Apple switched to making IBM-compatibles as well. Apple was the last to give up making up their own little "standard" and people still don't call a Apple a "personal" computer because they can't configure it themselves.

[cappy2112]