After the G2

xav · Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject:

It's interesting to know what everybody plans to do. I think softwares like reaktor could be attractive for those who cannot imagine a modular tool that's not updated. But PD seems interesting too since it runs on many platforms, it can be extended, and it is far from mercantile objective. But this freedom seems to be so complicated. I'm not sure to be able to program or to spend enough time to create necessary tools.
If I had to reconsider an evolution for the G2, in its hardware characteristics , I would like it to be quicker (when tweaking), more accurate (high definition when it is possible), more reliable (for example, when sending midi from one slot to another), more powerful. I don't know how to realize those wishes with PD , Reaktor... it seems to be hard. The G2 certainly will remain my main electronic keyboard.

blue hell · Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject:

kcinsu · Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject:

I will continue to use my G2's, until they literally fall apart and stop working, and are beyond being serviced.

And even then, theres always used, to be had.

The only possible reason I'd get rid of them, would be to get G3's.

And even then... it'd have to be majorly worth it.

seraph · Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:46 am Post subject:

OT:
for a long time (from late 80's to mid 90's) I had the same set up:
an Atari Mega STE computer (running Notator and XoR), Yamaha TX802, Yamaha TX81Z, Yamaha KX76, Roland D110, Alesis HR16 and a Korg M3R.
Not the greatest set up in the world but I came up with some good music during that period of time because I had become very familiar with all of those pieces of gear that in the meantime had all gone the way of the Dodo.
Hybrid synthesizers that depend on external computer applications may have a shorter life span because of technological advances only if you insist in wanting to keep upgrading. I know, it's hard to quit Cool

Wan · Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:02 am Post subject:

Since the arrival of the G2 it is my only live synth, it replaced a setup of a yamaha motif, a korg prophecy and a NM1 rack. At first i had the G2, but 2 months later the G2X. And that one won't be replaced till it falls apart, and i hope it will take a very long time before that occurs.

So for me the G2 isn't dead, it's alive and kicking, and i'm not planning anything to replace it live (well, maybe a G3X ).

buzzr · Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:44 am Post subject:

I'm now patching with the demo version of Reaktor. It's not as bad as I thought. I just have a very old computer that cannot run Reaktor to where I would like it to. It seems as though Reaktor has many of the things I wanted on the Nord Modular. It's just not as easy to access these and the patching system is foreign to me. But that seems to be getting easier after one day of patching.

fac · Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:47 am Post subject:

I'm also a hardware guy, but I'm mostly ok with gear that must be edited from a PC. I also own a Wavestation A/D and a Yamaha FS1R, both with their respective editors, because they're a pain to program from the front panel. I'm not getting rid of them anytime soon; in fact, I just bought them this year. I'm also considering the Dave Smith's Mopho to add some analog flavor to my "live" setup (Nord G2 + Korg ER-1 + Boss DR-770). I still use WinXP in my DAW and don't plan to change that soon. In the worst scenario, I could always keep my old laptop just for programming the G2.

GovernorSilver · Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject:

My G2X is still working, so my "After the G2" era looks to be far into the future.

My bandmate moved to another city though so I may start using more softsynths/soft samplers in the near future whenever I visit her to work on songs, since I don't want to spend a lot of money bringing equipment with me. I'll probably just bring a guitar, VG-99, and laptop.

G2egory · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:02 am Post subject:

I agree with you, synthesizerists, I will use my G2X until it falls apart. It is such a powerful versatile instrument. I especially like when I hear a sound in a musical piece and say to myself "I can build that sound" and think about what modules I would use. Being able to recreate the sounds of other synthesizers and to create my own unique sounds is what drew me to the G2.

From a business standpoint, the margin on producing the G2/G2X was probably not high enough for Clavia. It is clear from looking at the inside of my G2X that Clavia is an assembler and produces few of the electronic components. Clavia has missed a huge opportunity by not exploiting this forum as a marketing tool to sell G2s. This forum has added a lot of value to the G2 and will greatly increase its longevity. I am surprised that Clavia has abandoned the loyal G2 community for new instrument ventures. It is a poor business decision.

Chet · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:16 am Post subject:

I've gotten used to Reaktor. It does pretty much everything I want except realtime convolution (and the G2 didn't do that, either).

But patching in Reaktor is not nearly as fast and fun for me as the G2.

BobTheDog · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:52 am Post subject:

How about MAX/MSP, convolution, fft etc.

Makes Reaktor look simple to me though, although the debugging stuff in version 5 is very good.

iPassenger · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:57 am Post subject:

Roland Kuit · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:37 pm Post subject:

after my NM's and a G2, my next step was the Muse Receptor. It is a hardware pluggin player without most of the windows crap who would slow down the pluggins. it is a linux machine with a little windows shell. and it's possible to hack it for programs as reaktor, arturia set, reason, ableton life or max. but then it's a player for only one of the programs above. without the hack you have 16 channels for pluggins and a few for audio fx.
I have even an ems pluggin(very nice one) so you can plugg your own matrixes. gives an old feel:)
but to make it short, the muse is faster then any pc or mac is.

GovernorSilver · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject:

dasz · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject:

Roland,

I have played with a Muse box and know one of the guys behind it. It is a great concept and should live for a while.

The way the G2 evolves for me is with external devices. So I get new OS like features in other places. Multiple boxes or instruments make for a great modular environment...
/Dasz

GovernorSilver · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject:

Just saw this in the American Musical catalog that I recently received in the mail:

http://www.smproaudio.com/forums.html?option=com_content&task=view&id=74

One of the early criticisms of this particular model was no audio input. They wisely decided to add one for the production version.

buzzr · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject:

In Max/Msp if I was to build something as complex as the patches I use with the G2 it would take me years to figure it out. I know a former RPI university tech Max/Msp programmer-composer who has seen my G2 patches and told me this as well as figuring it out on my own.

When you build things in Max/Msp you also need to figure out the bugs.

I would rather test my ideas quickly to see if they work rather then build my ideas for months to find out that they don't.

I save that for my hardware development Smile

dorremifasol · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject:

How much latency does the Muse Receptor have? I never considered it because I thought It should have no less than 5ms...

The origin may sound good but it has been released unfinished, there are still many modules not available. It may sound good but I think it's only a sound machine, the G2 is much more than that.

onosendai · Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:29 am Post subject:

I will keep my G2 forever, because i need a life to mastered it.

I'm waiting for the next plateform with this :

- The same modular approch
- The same memory Patch/Bank way of thinking
- Better VA modeling
- Better Reverb/Compressor/Delay/Vocoder
- Audio modules (granular, sampling, strech, glitch, all the modern thing)
- The ability to load a patch without audio cut

cebec · Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:00 am Post subject:

onosendai · Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:32 am Post subject:

Could be nice, but it's not a synth Smile

I don't want a sound card.

egw · Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:44 am Post subject:

That v-machine looks nice.
Not too expensive at $599.
I hope someone will try it out and post a review!

dasz · Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:13 am Post subject:

I too like this vmachine. it is a lot smaller and cheaper than the muse. I hope it is stable as a rock.

I am beginning to think about integrating vst's into my studio, especially for physical modelling, since that is something I lack (I had a Korg Z1 many years ago) ... and something even more unique, like a Harnmann Neuron VS plugin (can anyone comment on it)

/Dasz

mosc · Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:08 am Post subject:

Great comments, keep them coming.

As for the Vmachine and such, $599 is pretty reasonable, but you can get a much more powerful PC for that price. The future of a the PC is probably longer than virtually any other platform.

As soon as VST hosts support external processors via perhaps OSC, then computing resources will be less of a problem.

My dual core 2.3 GHz PC seems to have lots of cycles for running VSTs. I'm continually amazed.

Just to repeat, my G2X is my main axe. Like most of us, I have invested a tremendous amount into it. I still love it.

dorremifasol · Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:40 am Post subject:

While I think there that there are many good sounding VSTIs, the lack of tactile controls and latency makes them not funny to use or program. I still plan to use my Nords for a long time.

In fact, I have resolved the problem of saving and loading the state of my hardware synths. There is a Yamaha software known as Studio Manager, which works alone or integrates in Cubase. You can make scripts for your synths so they support total recall in Studio Manager.

So, when I use my synths in Cubase it's like they were VSTIs. I save the state, I recall the state, it's really great.

If anyone is interested I can share my scritps for the Nord Lead 2x, 3 and G2.

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