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Resonant Lopass Gate PCB's (New Batch 4/29/12)
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Attorks



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Attorks wrote:
But now I have a problem you don't have. If I set the deep switch to deep there is no sound, or at least very, very little. Any suggestions?

Martin

Embarassed Sorry for the bandwidth but I saw a post with the same problem on page 21 so I'll try that first.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have uploaded a small demo to YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9xbWdPPch4&fmt=18
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:14 am    Post subject: Asterisk Question Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Greetings Friends and Modular Enthusiasts,

I'm sorry if there's a better forum or thread to ask these questions or if they have been asked already but I couldn't find an answer..

I have a Rev 3.0 board and I don't understand why some resistor values have and asterisk (or two) next to the value on the PCB. For example, there's two asterisks next to a 1K resistor (right above the out and inv.) and there's one asterisk by the 47K in the top right corner.

I searched through the building docs but couldn't find out what this is supposed to indicate (although there seems to be asterisks in the BOM). Thanks for your time. Sorry if I'm being a bit dense..

Also, are the pre-order boards shipping soon? No hurry, I just want to make sure they weren't lost in the mail..

Thanks for your time. I really can't wait to build this filter..

-David
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Asterisk Question Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

valis wrote:
I have a Rev 3.0 board and I don't understand why some resistor values have and asterisk (or two) next to the value on the PCB. For example, there's two asterisks next to a 1K resistor (right above the out and inv.) and there's one asterisk by the 47K in the top right corner.
-David


The asterikes mean that it's optional. E.g. if you are not going to use the INV OUT you don't need resistor R34. And if you are not need the Deep switch you don't need a SPST switch and R19. In the top of the schematics PDF you see the text '* = Optional Modifications'.

Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I knew it was something obvious that I was missing and that turns out to be correct. Thanks for the reply!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:22 pm    Post subject: Boards are HERE! Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi folks!

The boards have arrived this week. I am busy packing them up and will be shipping in two batches. 1, I will rush out the US orders since I can quickly get them together and pay for shipping via PayPal. 2, I will ship the International orders. My wife will help me fill out the troublesome little customs slips that we have to attach to the packages. I hope to have the lot of boards all shipped within 1 weeks time. Many thanks for the orders guys! The new boards look great and I will get them out as quick as possible. Cheers,

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:57 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

nice one man. What vactrols would you suggest to use. Which one is quicker and which one is slower. Wouldn't mind doing two different types. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've bought two different versions of the vactrols:

The single VTL5C4 from SmallBear Electronics at $6.00 a piece (you need 2 of these for one pcb). This is the slow version that I believe you can hear in Thomas' first video.

The dual vactrol VT5C3/2 from Bridechamber at $6.50 a piece (only one is needed for one pcb) for a faster response.

Hope this helps!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

nice one. one of each it is then. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

adambee7 wrote:
nice one man. What vactrols would you suggest to use. Which one is quicker and which one is slower. Wouldn't mind doing two different types. Very Happy


So I've had this lingering quesiton that's reaching a head now that we've received our ship notifications (*YAY!!!*):

Would there be any problem with sticking both kinds of vactrols in there and switching them with a multi pole switch? By say putting them on a little piece of vero board, mounting that above the PCB, and then fly wiring that back to a switch on the panel? Lotta extra wire to pick up noise I guess, but I don't know if that makes a differnce here.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:48 pm    Post subject: Lopass Gate PCB project
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I see in the previous posts that the Inv Out was added so that a reversing attenuator for CV could be added. Could someone explain to me the wiring to implement this?

I understand reversing attenuators, but I can't figure out how to have both normal and reversing CV attenuators using just the Inv Out.

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I was thinking about adding a reversing attenuator myself.

I was also looking at the CGS 075 Slope and realised that in the lower left corner of the schematic, there is what appears to be a reversing attenutor:

http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/pic/schem_cgs75_vcs.gif

So, I've tried to apply this to the LPG schematic. My additions are in red.

Can anyone confirm that this will work? Not sure about the 20-25k pot value, though. I understand that the mod will destroy any precision (amplification, tracking, etc) that was setup throughthe IN1 - IN3 inputs, but if you're not using these, then I don't see any problems? (Ducking)

Thanks!


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Does anybody know if Allied Electronics ship internationally?
They have cheap vactrols available.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yup
i bought 30 a month or two back
shipping to australia was kind of high but not too bad

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I received my second round of boards today, thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

boards came as well, thankyou, they look great
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I got my 4 boards yesterday, thanks alot!

Also, nobody has answered my question I asked a few weeks ago yet. It may be because it's a trivial question, but I noticed that Thomas' bom from mouser has specified 4 vishay precision pots for the mixing sections. Are precision pots specified for a reason? Otherwise I will buy cheaper pots. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

303monkey wrote:
Does anybody know if Allied Electronics ship internationally?
They have cheap vactrols available.


RS is the best place to get vactrols in the UK. I just looked up the VTL5C3/2 for the PS3100 Resonators, and RS are cheaper than Allied

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

panda30y wrote:
I I noticed that Thomas' bom from mouser has specified 4 vishay precision pots for the mixing sections. Are precision pots specified for a reason? Otherwise I will buy cheaper pots. Thanks.


No, you can use just about anything. Those spectrols were expensive when they were $ each, now at 12+$ each they're ridiculous. Alphas will work fine.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I got my 2 boards today, Thanks Thomas! Cool
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sduck wrote:
panda30y wrote:
I I noticed that Thomas' bom from mouser has specified 4 vishay precision pots for the mixing sections. Are precision pots specified for a reason? Otherwise I will buy cheaper pots. Thanks.


No, you can use just about anything. Those spectrols were expensive when they were $ each, now at 12+$ each they're ridiculous. Alphas will work fine.


Thanks! That's what I was thinking about doing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Lopass Gate PCB project
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davebr wrote:
I see in the previous posts that the Inv Out was added so that a reversing attenuator for CV could be added. Could someone explain to me the wiring to implement this?


I've ordered my board and decided on my planned set of mods. I changed the potentiometers to 100K since I have BI Technologies parts, added standard and reversing CV controls, and modified the 1U panel design for clearance for the 3P toggle switch. I put preliminary information on my site.
http://modularsynthesis.com/nrm/lopass/lopass.htm
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thats very clever, Dave.

Have you thought about using the 4th unused U2 op-amp for a second reversing attenuator, or do you prefer having a normal attenuator as well (instead of two reversing)?

Thanks for sharing.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:05 am    Post subject: Resonant Lopass Gate PCB project
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isacsen wrote:

Have you thought about using the 4th unused U2 op-amp for a second reversing attenuator, or do you prefer having a normal attenuator as well (instead of two reversing)?

Thanks for sharing.


It could be used for that. I wouldn't mind two reversing attenuators. I was also thinking of it as a LED driver. I've seen some designs with a LED and haven't decided. A second reversing attenuator really crowds the legends and the mode switch so I'd have to leave a couple of tic marks unlabeled. I thought I would wait and play with this after I get the board running. I generally don't like leaving any op-amp unused!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I would like to find a way to switch 2 LEDs on and off to indicate the current mode ala the original buchla faceplate. Could there be a way to do so using the optional on-boards op-amps?
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