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Interest in prefab smd utility circuits?
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mrand



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:34 pm    Post subject: Interest in prefab smd utility circuits?
Subject description: Just a general question to see if people would want to do something like this
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I was wondering if people would be interested in an assembled smd board covered in handy utility circuits. They could be arranged so that one could cut them apart to be integrated into your diy builds as needed. I was thinking stuff like:
-VCA
-expo current source with empty holes for your thru hole matched transistors and tempcos
-buffered multiple
-LFO

Basically just circuits I find myself building repetitively and/or things I'd like to integrate into my modules.

I'm more or less thinking out loud here. I certainly don't have the expertise to do orchestrate something like this quite yet, I don't even know how to do PCB layouts. So far I've done all my building on protoboard. That said, it doesn't seem too far off...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Interest in prefab smd utility circuits?
Subject description: Just a general question to see if people would want to do something like this
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mrand wrote:
I was wondering if people would be interested in an assembled smd board covered in handy utility circuits. They could be arranged so that one could cut them apart to be integrated into your diy builds as needed. I was thinking stuff like:
-VCA
-expo current source with empty holes for your thru hole matched transistors and tempcos
-buffered multiple
-LFO

Basically just circuits I find myself building repetitively and/or things I'd like to integrate into my modules.

I'm more or less thinking out loud here. I certainly don't have the expertise to do orchestrate something like this quite yet, I don't even know how to do PCB layouts. So far I've done all my building on protoboard. That said, it doesn't seem too far off...


It's not a totally crazy idea, might work.

Some thoughts:
Among your (potential) customers are probably on a spectrum where some will do it themselves if they need it, to those who would rather hunt expensive and rare ICs instead of using a prefab.

I think VCAs can be a really good idea, you could do lm13700 based dual one with quite few parts and you can do "discrete" VCAs/OTAs of different complexity.
But also consider there is competition (in the higher end) from THAT 218x / 216x ICs.

Expo converter - without tempco and without transistors - well what's left? a dual op-amp and maybe some resistors. Not sure I see the point apart from maybe the form factor / practicality. I would consider doing a complete expo converter with SMD matched trannies and tempcos (both are available for not much) but with perhaps through hole / options for choosing the reference current resistors.

Why not try and make a few for yourself first to find out what is practical.

Just my 0.02 €

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

V2164's have single chip VCA and to some extent expo conversion covered, look up some stuff by Dr Etch N Sketch (he posts mostly at Muff's I think). Not sure that those applications have a lot of advantage by getting into smd matched transistors etc....
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

in smt you could make use of cheap matched transistor pairs like the dmmt3906/dmmt3904.
Awesome part but a pain to hand solder (SOT-323).

could be used in exponential converters, as differential pair in an OTA based vca, transistor ladder filter or even a discrete vca.....

there are also relatively cheap (and not even too hard to get) smt tempcos.
I don't know if it would be possible to get thermal contact between two neighboring smt parts...maybe glue a small copper plate on both the transistor pair and the temco?...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for your replies, people, all good suggestions.

I feel like the thermal contact thing would be easy to solve, how about encasing the area in epoxy?

Maybe I should have mentioned that another motive of mine is miniaturization. I'm trying to build a compact modular.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I thought about a blob of thermal conductive glue too, but I guess one would have to try, because electrically non conductive often just means barely conductive...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have developed a small utility PCB which includes an LFO, a mixer, and a s/h. They are break-apart sections on a 5x5cm board.
If anybody wants 10 of them, I would be happy to provide you with the link to where the design is hosted at dirtypcbs. I think I get $1 of store credit every time someone orders it. Obviously this is not a commercial venture, so I'd also be happy to provide the gerbers if anybody wants to take it to their own fab house. I simply want to share with the community who has helped me get this far Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:49 pm    Post subject: expo source Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hello people,

If anyone is interested I'm preparing a layout for a 3046 heater type expo current source PCB.

The design is based on the system100 vco. Adaptation from ua726 to 3046 is based on frequency central's implementation as well as the doepfer vco.

The intent is to make it easier to breadboard/prototype future VCO designs.

See attachment for schematic and 3d drawing of my PCB layout.
This is a work in progress! I need to fill out all the values still.

Comments welcome!


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

try again with the schemo upload


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Would this be a uA726 replacement?

(I have a defect VCO using that chip and suspect the chip to be gone, although I did not actually check that)

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
Would this be a uA726 replacement?

(I have a defect VCO using that chip and suspect the chip to be gone, although I did not actually check that)


not quite because mine includes the cv input mixer/summer as well as all the heating circuitry.

There are lots of other people doing ua726 replacement PCBs though.
here for eg: http://ua726.co.uk/2016/12/18/ua726-replacer-quick-test/
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ah ok, thanks for the feedback :-)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I would be interested in some kind of breakout board for BCM847 and BCM857 double transistors, I can't manually solder them anymore, so having boards with them on it would be beneficial.
I did a layout once with these, and two SMT tempco resistors, to LM394 footprint (and two holes to connect to the tempco).

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